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On 2007-06-05 11:02:43, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-06-05 11:01:11, plankgatan wrote:
but please, do you really think thats optical lenses just improve the zoom !
of course you got better video quality if you have "pure" optical lenses (zoom or not).
i wish i could just post an audio link here because sometimes LOL just doesnt cut it.
What is a "pure" optical zoom. Is there a such thing as an "impure" optical zoom. Not making fun of your language skills but rather your grasp of the technology.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:04:58
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ok. ....
who believes thats a cell phone with optical zoom ONLY improve the pic quality when you zooming,
and who believes its improves when you doing booth (zoom or not).
just curious !
edit. with pure optical zoom i mean something like N93. (lenses who moves)....and like i said before, sometimes i have trouble to explain things.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 10:09 ]
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 10:12 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:07:12
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in ALL optical zoom the lens physically moves, the lens which doesnt does not support optical zoom.
there is no such thing as optical lens, its optical zoom a.k.a for the layman, the lens which moves to zoom in.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:11:37
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ok, but you said that optical zoom ONLY improve the zooming.
of course its improves ALL quality (zoom or not), how hard can it be....
i said from the start that if you want some good video quality, you need optical zoom (optical lenses).
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 10:16 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:14:39
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On 2007-06-05 11:07:12, plankgatan wrote:
ok. ....
who believes thats a cell phone with optical zoom ONLY improve the pic quality when you zooming,
and who believes its improves when you doing booth (zoom or not).
just curious !
edit. with pure optical zoom i mean something like N93. (lenses who moves)....and like i said before, sometimes i have trouble to explain things.
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 10:09 ]
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 10:12 ]
Like I said, no worries about the language. No here is picking on you about that nor should they. Esato is a multi-lauguage, multi-cultural forum and everyone should respect this so no worries.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:15:40
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On 2007-06-05 11:14:39, plankgatan wrote:
ok, but you said that optical zoom ONLY improve the zooming.
of course its improves ALL quality (zoom or not), how hard can it be....
i said from the start that if you want some good video quality, you need optical zoom (optical lenses).
[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2007-06-05 10:16 ]
optical zoom only improves zoom, thats why its called optical ZOOM.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:17:55
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@QVGA,
Don't even start on "digital zoom".
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Posted: 2007-06-05 11:22:05
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SE were the first manufacturer to support the multi-tasking Java VM. Due to the commitment to a flexible and powerful JAVA platform, SE have lead the field in making non-smartphones start to be competitive with smartphones. This is a boon for mid-range phones giving them the cost of midrange but flexibility of a high end smartphone (of the non-touchscreen variety ie: Nokia s60 and similar) This doesn't make a non-smartphone as flexible as an s60 device (yet), but SE before any other OEM are pushing this envelope. Nokai users tend to overlook the advances in JAVA since they assume it can be no competition for the s60 platform, but JAVA is not the poxy little game platform that it started out as. Infact, when searching for apps for my N70, I found far more useful apps in the java platform (which work well on my K750 but invariably don't work on N70) than I could symbian apps for the N70. Especially in the freeware category. My point is that many who don't use it have under-estimated java as an application platform.
This is what I mean by the one-eyed view of those who claim Nokia is leading edge but that SE have lost their technical prowess. Just because a range of features that Nokia have but SE don't have is not an argument that SE have lost the edge. They may be behind Nokia in some areas, but in others they are way ahead. Nokia has stalled development on the touchscreen and ignored JAVA as a potential threat because they already have a smartphone hardscreen os. So both these factors are allowing SE to gain ground on Nokia (in different segments).
While P990 has been criticised for not being able to multi-task well, K800 can do it with aplomb. You can access pda functions, file system, phone functions, ir and bluetooth, audio and video functions and much more with JAVA apps, and on the latest SE phones you can task switch between up to 8 different java apps as well. So the argument that many smartphone users use against non-smartphones ie: that smartphones are expandable due to 3rd party software, now applies to SE non-smartphones.
One day Nokia will turn around and find that s60 has no discernable advantage over non-smart SE phones.
After running the N70 I own for a few weeks, I greatfully returned to using my K750, because even though I can't multi-task between running java apps (as is possible on K800), I found the JSR75 and other java API's of the K750 are so flexible that I actually have more useful applications on my K750 than I could find without forking out dollars left right and centre for the symbian based N70 apps. And much more importantly than that, the K750 is more stable than the N70, so as an application platform it's actually "almost" competitive with the N70. But it cost a quarter of the cost of an N70.
You admit that Nokia is behind on cameras but dismiss that as not important, I simply don't agree that it's unimportant. SE have 3G phones, they have wifi phones, but not leading edge. Surely the camera issue the same thing but in reverse? It's also the camera UI - which in SE is way ahead of any other OEM in terms of a traditional camera interface - which has evolved and developed in digital cameras for the last ten years. SE cameras are more like traditonal cameras in their use than any other make. This to me is an important MARKET LEADING practice.
Some people want ot browse the net as fast as possible on a phone, some want the best possible picture that is possible from a phone. I could argue why does someone want such fast download speeds on a phone when they could use that bandwidth much more effectively on a laptop? The answer is because no one wants to carry around a laptop. Likewise I want the best camera i can get in a phone. Please don't tell me I should use a "proper" digital camera. It's about convenience, and at this stage SE are pushing the envolope of how good a camera can be in a phone, and that to me is leading edge, and helps to ensure better and better camera phones every year. It also stimulated Nokia into improving their own camera phone offerings, so Nokia users ought to thank SE for that. Competition improves the breed.
Sapporobaby, I understand your frustration about mac support, but as I've already stated, SE COMPUTER support is pretty crap for PC and MAC both. Believe me I don't use PC Suite or Disc2Phone, and don't miss it. Third party apps are more than adequate. Infact, I wish I could find the third party phone management app for my N70 that matches "My Phone Explorer" for SE.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 15:16:22
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Nice post Max.
How is it down under?
You know what. This time in about a year we will be having this discussion that Nokia makes crap phones and SE is at the top of the heap.
Damn, I just hope the stuff works.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 15:25:07
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Me too, I hope the new stuff runs as quickly and smoothly as it should do - first time.
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Posted: 2007-06-05 15:51:25
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