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Yeah, sure reminds me of the movbie in the 70's which stars the late old Mr. Burns . . . forgot the title though . . . he portrayed the role of God. A comedy film.
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Posted: 2006-01-26 01:08:05
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HAHAHAHHA-The one i am talking about is not a movie rather a Documentary into the christian religon......I highly recommend it
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Posted: 2006-01-26 01:13:12
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sounds interesting. I believe in God, but not religion. To me any form of religion ultimately limits the discovery of the truth.
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Posted: 2006-01-26 02:14:05
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I wanna understand more about people who don't believe in God ... In my mind its simple whatever religion u are u usually believe in a God or in some cases many Gods.
I just want to ask those whats their rationale behind there being no God at all? Surely something has to start from something. I'm not convinced by the big bang theory but supposing i was...what created the first ever thing the history of ever? there is no comprehendable logical reasoning that claims that something was created from absolutely NOTHING hence in my mind i have to open things up and think wider... something beyond our comprehension (which many people call God) has existed timelessely and the very least that it did was create the first ever thing... that to me puts any question of whether there is or is not a God to rest. But I also don't think they just created the first ever thing, so that other things could develope themeselves eg planets etc. I think they actually created EVERYTHING - thats my opinion though.
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Posted: 2006-01-26 21:13:14
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it is logically possible to postulate "no god". I agree it doesn't make sense to our minds, but that's because of how we are brought up. So in our minds it's just "logical". However as far as pure logic goes, you are right that if there is a beginning then something must have started it. But what if there is no beginning? What if everything has existed forever? Then it's possible that there is no God, that we just live in a mechanistic universe that has a set of rules that determines that life will rise and die off, in an endless cycle of predestined birth and death.
You can also kiss "Free Choice" goodbye in this scenario. If everything is pre-determined (like a clockwork mechanism) then we can have no free choice. This is why I do believe in a "God", because I believe we have free choice. I don't believe a criminal can blame anyone but themselves, they can't say "society made me do it". They have free choice and are responsible for their own actions.
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Posted: 2006-01-27 01:27:20
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Interesting... this is making me think.
If something is pre-determined, then something has to have pre defined things in the first place, the instance of a thing i.e. the universe cannot pre-define itself. In other words in the scenario you describe a mechanistic universe, this is set up by something i.e. the pre-determiner i.e. the creator i.e. God. Maybe the entire universe is God in this case.
Someone asked me so who made God then? This is precisely why God is God - something we cannot comprehend the powers of God is the only thing able to create/pre-define itself because it is God. This is why I believe a higher being (I like the term Creator or Maker) it isn't since something we can visually see in this life (maybe when we die? I'm not sure).
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Posted: 2006-01-27 01:58:05
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I believe more in science....Just sounds more logical than some god who created us.......I cant see any God looking down at everyone in this world and watching them fight over land.......Why would any God let all the bad things happen........Why when something bad happens it is not god but when something like a so called miracle happens it is gods doing?????Also I can deny God till the day I day but and the last minute I can repent and ask for forgivness and everything will be fine......
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Posted: 2006-01-27 02:01:45
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Perhaps you are right, about God "Forgiving" you I don't know that is up to God, I hadn't gone beyond the scope of life here. I too believe very much in science if you've read what i've said and understood it...I don't think you have Dr Green Thumb...I didn't say he necessarily created us.
About all the badness in the world it is not at all difficult to explain why God would let this happen. But the question answers itself because God has given us the power of free will. Human beings can do whatever they want, even deny God, which is what a lot of people choose to do or kill each other, sell drugs to others WHATEVER they want. If God interveened in this we would not have free will. God has also given us the option to accept that God exists, which is why we are having this discussion.
And where did you bring miracles into this??? you stated you were a person of science so how do you comprehend miracles?
[ This Message was edited by: loyal2thegame on 2006-01-27 01:24 ]
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Posted: 2006-01-27 02:19:37
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@loyal, excellent point about free will. Spot on.
regarding miracles, I think it's possible to think up plausible scientific explanations, the problem is we don't have the science yet. For example once they thought electricity was a mysterious power of nature unexplainable by science. Then one day some guy comes along and explains it, and everyone goes, "oh of course, not that mysterious afterall". I think any spiritual event uses the underlying powers of nature to "do god's work". One day we will discover the science behind what causes miracles, but this in no way lessens the fact they exist.
We are faced with miracles everyday, all of us. All of nature is a miracle. Nature supports and feeds us, provides us with all the resources we need, but do we stop to think where does it all come from? Why is there such a stable environment on this planet? Okay I can give you the scientific explanation of HOW, but that doesn't answer WHY? We take for granted miracles that happen everyday, and then marvel at those miracles we only barely see or hear about. If there is a miraculous power of electricity, it is no less miraculous just because science has learnt to harness it.
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Posted: 2006-01-27 02:50:53
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@ max, that is EXACTLY how I look at miracles ... the bit about the ones we take for granted but still make them no less then a "miracle" is so true for me.
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Posted: 2006-01-27 02:56:02
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