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that above link so isnt correct!
Vodafone UK are the largest network in the world with 173million subscribers?
when did you last see 179 million people in the Uk? granted Vodafone as vodagroup may have that many customers, but on the same hand, Orange as Orange group must have nearly the same amount!
as for the other stats, that takes in to acount MVNO's which you rightly state that Orange have none of. and i fail to see how Fresh, Virgin, go, dot, tesco, easy and whoever else can be tacked on to their relevant providers, thats like saying, i buy my phones from CPW but they are nokias so they will go against Nokias figures and not CPWs!
also, all those figures added together, add up to 67.96 Million, there are not that many mobile phone users in the UK.
granted market saturation is very high, but its still a long way off 100%.
We will need to wait until May 06 to see who the biggest network is, as then will be year end!
fatreg
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Posted: 2006-04-03 10:16:45
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I think the UK market saturation is above 100% in the UK - there may be some people who don't have a mobile phone of some sort, by many do. I for example, although only having one contract out, also have three pay as you go sims too (for testing other phones etc.)
And there are some here that have 2,3, or even more contracts taken out - there's a GSM map (think the link's somewhere over on SE-NSE) that shows the current state of the markets, and shows the UK's market saturation as being 110% or something like that!
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Posted: 2006-04-03 10:39:45
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fatreg, The top info is not just for the UK but worldwide. Go down the page and pick the UK
United Kingdom
(as of December 2005)
The country had 67,908,546 subscriptions in total, or a 113.4% penetration rate.
Rank Operator technology Subscribers
(in millions) Ownership
1 T-Mobile UMTS, GSM 17.2 (December 2005) Deutsche Telekom
2 Vodafone UMTS, GSM 16.33 (December 2005) Vodafone
3 O2 UMTS, GSM 15.98 (December 2005) Telefónica 2
4 Orange UMTS, GSM 14.86 (December 2005) France Télécom
5 3 UMTS 3.59 1 Hutchison Whampoa
As you can see from the List Orange is 4th.
Also if you look at the link it shows you all the info for every operator world wide
Have fun
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Posted: 2006-04-03 13:32:30
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Need I ask how many of you prefer Coca-Cola to tecso blue and white stripe cola? You get what you pay for in life. its as simple as that.
Not really a fair comparison. If you are comparing Tesco's cola against Coca-Cola in the T-Mobile vs Orange scenario, then a fairer comparison would be to say that you get 5 bottles of Tesco Cola for less than the price of one bottle of Coca-Cola. That's the difference in value between some of T-Mobile's Flext tariffs and Orange's Animal tariffs. You also assume that in this scenario that people don't like the taste of Tesco's cola and that Coca-Cola must be superior. I think the true difference in this example would be that both colas would taste the same but Coca-Cola is perceived to be better.*
I've been with Orange for 9 years and I know that they are simply not competitive at this time. I believe that the main networks offer a comparable service as far as technology and coverage and therefore it's down to customer service and price for me. Orange has a reputation for being excellent at customer service but in my experience that hasn't always been the case. I think Orange is a great brand and a great network but I don't believe that they are that superior that I should stay with them paying higher costs.
My contract on Orange is almost over. I am on Orange Premier 600 - I pay £55 a month and I get 600 minutes and a 100 texts plus free insurance. On T-Mobile Flext I can get 600 minutes, 600 texts for £26.25. I don't need insurance as I have free cover with my bank but even if you add the £6 charge I would still only be paying £32.25. My bill on T-Mobile is very rarely going to be more than £30 whereas on Orange I usually pay around £65 when you add photo messages etc.
I understand that Orange is looking for the premium paying customer but I am not sure that they will continue to be successful if they don't compete on price. I know several people who have recently move to T-Mobile after years of being with Orange. Time will tell...
* For the record I am not saying that Tesco Cola is better than Coca-Cola! That's down to personal preference!
[ This Message was edited by: DVS on 2006-04-03 18:54 ]
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Posted: 2006-04-03 19:52:11
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Yes Orange Customer service is good, but I think thats slipped alot recently.
I have spoke to the retention department my self and to be honest the guy that answered the phone at the other just sighed and sounded completely p***ed of.
Not good for customer relations.
Ive been with Orange 7 Years ad I average a bill of about 45-50 pound on one contract and 20 pound on the other, But again with T-mobile i can cut my cost in half.
I dont mind paying for quality at a fare price though.
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Posted: 2006-04-03 20:59:04
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Want more proof that people dont like these new Tarriffs.
Oh an we are changin the name to the Teletubbie Tarriffs.
Well you have Tinky-Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa, and Po, So thats Contract Tarrifs sorted
and for Pay as you go you can have Noo Noo.
And they all lived in a futurstic house !! or a Futurist Orange world ??
Any way heres the latest on those luvly jubly Tarriffs.
"" Vodafone and Orange won’t follow the other operators in slashing their prices to compete with the mounting threat of T-Mobile’s Flext.
Contrary to rumours that new consumer tariffs would be launched, Vodafone held back from rolling out new deals this month. A spokesman for the operator said: ‘While we continue to explore ways of growing our dealer business, we won’t do it simply by trying to outbid the other networks.’ Vodafone is understood to be planning an updated range of deals and commissions for later this year.
Orange is hoping its animal packages will attract customers without the need for bundling more value. Orange’s head of multiple retail, Simon Wetton, said: ‘Flext has been successful and has taken a big share, but we’re trying to make things simple for the consumer. We won’t just offer up-front value but a wider range of products and services.’ However, the operator is currently offering 50% extra minutes and texts to customers who sign up online.
This week’s Mobile tariff tracker sees T-Mobile take the majority of connections through all indirect high street outlets. Meanwhile, Vodafone is nowhere to be seen and only one Orange tariff has made it into the top 20.
3 and O2 have both chosen to tackle T-Mobile by slashing prices and adding double minute and text offers to its deals ""
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/[....]est/publish/article_1357.shtml
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Posted: 2006-04-11 21:08:35
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Gonna be interesting to see how the networks' market share and stats have fluctuated by May, when the outgoing 05-06 financial years' figures become available...
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Posted: 2006-04-11 21:27:00
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Yes me too. Orange dont seem to care thats the problem, They are hoping that cusotmer stay with them for the name and stay loyal to the network.
But customer have started to leave big time, The other networks have relised it.
Well Voda havnt, but they never do and Orange seem to have this problem now?
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2006-04-11 20:33 ]
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Posted: 2006-04-11 21:31:42
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more proof that customer dont like these new Tarrifs
Andrew Boden, MD at Orange solus distributor Mainline, said the tariffs were better value than those previously offered, but he had seen a drop in new connection sales of around 30%. 'Sales are down in April. I attribute that to dealers familiarising themselves with the new tariffs and the competition from Flext.'
So when are they going to give on on them.
People dont like them, dealers dont like them and charging 1p for delivery reports and not telling people is even worse
Oh and Orange are still saying that they are better value. "" There not Better Value, There Rubbish, and more confusing.
http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/[....]est/publish/article_1382.shtml[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2006-04-22 01:17 ]
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Posted: 2006-04-22 02:15:35
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The local Orange Shop manager at the Gallions Reach Shopping Centre admitted that they had been hit very hard by customers migrating to the Flext tariffs, and that they simply could not compete with what Flext currently offers.
However, his 'defence' was that he predicts that T-Mobile will not be offering Flext to new customers for many more months on end, and that they (Orange) should see things improve significantly after this.
Now then, I'd love to see what T-Mobile's reaction would be to this prediction.
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Posted: 2006-04-22 12:19:12
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