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On 2006-03-22 02:33:59, chili wrote:
@chamak's right. Yeah absolutely, K750 and its equivalents are sufficient for day-to-day shooting needs that used to be met by low-end digicams. When Max says low-end digicams, I suppose that means 3.2mp or less, autofocus (or w/ very small aperture to avoid focusing problems), and w/o manual shutter speed & aperture control. Right Max?
Correct. exposure control based on ISO rating, but no physical appertures.
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Posted: 2006-03-22 04:18:58
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Besides you have changed your story - at first you argued that ANY digital camera would be better than any camera phone. Now that I and other posts have shown that to be wrong, you are claiming that it's okay to use a camera phone in place of a low-end digital! Exactly what I am trying to say!!
Actually, i was talking about a dedicated camera you could get for the price difference between an m600i and a p990i. I would put my £100 or so into a dedicated camera.
What you are trying to say now is completely different, you are arguing the K750 can be used for photographers everywhere. That is where my gripe is.
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I enjoy the challenge of achieving excellent results from such limited equipment.
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Mate I never changed my story, it's simply that you're view and my view of what constitues Professional, Enthusiast, Amatuer are all different. You are trying to box photography into neat categories based on the more "elite" the form of photography, the more complex a camera needed.
Why do we have better equipment then? And yes, that is true. Generally, people start off with a simple point and shoot, and work their way up, slowly, to a selection of lenses and fully manual SLR. Along the way, they will use various different camera's, but at each step there is more to learn. This is the progression from begginner, to proffessional. Going through various stages imbetween.
Anyway, this thread is getting pretty tiresome and repetitive. I wish you luck in your endeavour of using bad equipment to make great photo's. Maybe it will mean if you ever allow yourself better equipment, the photo's will be the best the world has seen, who knows.
[ This Message was edited by: dazbradbury on 2006-03-22 14:25 ]
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Posted: 2006-03-22 15:23:02
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Dazbradbury, mate I think we agree more than we disagree mate. I'm not trying to argue that a person SHOULD use a low end camera, and I'm not arguing that it's better. It may not be a choice that you would ever make, and I respect that. I myself will certainly welcome the newer and "better" phone cameras as they arrive, so I am not immune to wanting good equipment.
But because the phone is on me in 90% of the cases I see something I want to photograph, I use it. These cameras afford many advantages over a dedicated camera, including the fact you can take 100's of pictures and the battery doesn't even look like dying, the convergence factor (one device in your pocket), the "ever present" factor, and the fact that many people completely ignore someone with a camera phone when they would become spastic if you stick a real camera in their face.
You make out that my willingness to accept less than technically "perfect" photos it return for the advantages listed above means I'm not a serious photographer. Myself, I believe that imperfection of the medium doesn't impair the photographers ability to capture the essence of a scene. This in my view is the primary goal of photography. The ability to take a crisp, perfectly exposed photo is secondary.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I appreciate your wishing me luck, I wish you the same.
BTW There are some good low-end cheapies, there are also some VERY BAD. And given I purchased the K750 for MP3 player functionality as well as camera, there is no saving to me in buying three devices: a cheap phone, a dedicated mp3 player, AND a cheap camera that is only marginally better (or far worse) than the K750 camera. But ultimately the cost is not the factor - it's the "ever present" factor that appeals to me about camera phones, and as in my thread title, I am arguing that these types of cameras are good enough now to supplant low end dedicated cameras.
Whether a low-end digital camera (of any kind) is good enough for serious photography is another issue and not what I was trying to argue in this thread. Given that someone already uses a low-end camera for their photography (bad or not as that may be), the K750 (or N90 or Sharp 903 etc) is as good a choice as any.
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Posted: 2006-03-23 00:31:25
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@max - it's been an interesting read mate
I'm planning on getting myself a dedicated camera 5 to 6 mp. I've decided not to go straight down the slr route but rather the super zoom at the moment, enough manual settings to enable me to develop some of the shots i like to take and to also experiment a little more.
That said my w800 doesn't have the ccd lens my 2mp camera has nor does it have the optical zoom, however, I myself have taken well over 1000 shots with my w800 and have found the quality certainly good enough not to have to worry about using my current digicam which was the point of this thread and I have already mentioned.
I've always enjoyed photography, my interest has grown since purchasing my K700 even with it's vga capabilities enabling me to take shots otherwise missed because like most people didn't have a camera with me.
The w800/k750 etc for me was a breath of fresh air, sure it has it's limitations, but as you have mentioned, mine is always with me enabling one to capture that 'Kodak Moment' and in the hands of someone that has a keen eye and understands it's limitations can be a very capable 2mp camera.
Not sure if i have mentioned this to you previously but I feel it's worth mentioning it here, that my local news/TV station (meridian) have used a couple of my w800 shots for their weather reports. Now of course they were lucky shots but nevertheless they were taken with a
2mp camera phone. Quality ? well they may not be award winning shots mate abut having said that, I've seen a few really nice shots taken and posted on the different picture threads here that even if taken with a more capable camera wouldn't have made much of a difference other than the fact that the picture could've been printed much larger without any loss in quality.
keep your eye out for a few of my holiday snaps which I'll be posting here on esato later next month
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Posted: 2006-03-23 01:49:17
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hey Marls, hope we didn't bore you! Couldn't agree more with all you say.
I Look forward to checking your holiday snaps - where you going this time?
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Posted: 2006-03-23 07:39:09
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ouch, now my head really hurts with dem technicalities....
ok... so far we had seen maxie and daz go toe to toe.... i never imagined low-end dedicated cameras were this complicated...
now the topic goes.. can it replace low end dedicated devices? hhmm in certain ways as it was said so many times before... but this goes to show that existing camphones CANNOT eradicate the existence of low-end dedicated devices... coz certain occassions call for certain devices inpromptu, so if you have a camphone its your best choice so far... and knowing its capabilities, youll surely get hold of the situation in gauge of a cameraphone.. (meaning you hafta watch out for exposures, dim environments, can this be lit by the phone which has no xenon lights, blah blah blah). but if the situations are on parties, special occasions camping, boating the events you wouldnt want to miss.. obviously youll pair yourself with a good weapon of choice. (so lets stick to the topic, low end dedicated devices: and not those Leica types) ok got mine, with decent zoom, focus backed up xenon light for low lit environments... then viola, i can print decent shots, well same thing goes for camphones with 2mp and auto focus function...
ok.. i guess everything has been said earlier.. as for me... it CANNOT replace low-end dedicated devices... [bold]BUT[/bold] its solid enough to be an [bold]alternative[/bold] to low-end dedicated devices on impromptu situations.. and on the otherhand, if these camphones being held by a keen user who knows no boundaries (like marlonski on the side)...damn!!! its a weapon of choice! hands down to those fellas who know how to max out camphones these days... i just hope it wont ring while you take luvly shots...
cheers mate! just my 50cents !!!
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Posted: 2006-03-23 08:30:07
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On 2006-03-23 07:39:09, max_wedge wrote:
hey Marls, hope we didn't bore you! Couldn't agree more with all you say.
I Look forward to checking your holiday snaps - where you going this time?
Not at all mate
I'm off to the Fuertaventura April 5th, only for a week mate, but it's sub tropical so there will be plenty of sun to go with my beer
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Posted: 2006-03-23 21:23:56
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they alraedy have replaced crap cameras
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Posted: 2006-03-23 21:57:37
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marls, so you'll be taking your new camera?
But don't forget your old W800 so you can post some sub-tropical beach babes in the W800 thread as well
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Posted: 2006-03-24 03:16:34
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On 2006-03-24 03:16:34, max_wedge wrote:
marls, so you'll be taking your new camera?
But don't forget your old W800 so you can post some sub-tropical beach babes in the W800 thread as well
Max - I may well pick one up at the airport. Aparently Fuertaventura is cheap for electrical goods so I may even pick one up out there. Either way the W800 will be getting plenty of use mate
Mmmm....a few sub tropical babes.....never thought of that
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Posted: 2006-03-24 16:21:11
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