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What about the Nokia E61 - any thoughts on this? Apart from touch screen and camera, it looks like it ticks all the boxes.
[ This Message was edited by: SteamSHIFT on 2006-05-25 10:03 ]
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Posted: 2006-05-25 11:03:33
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' Hmm... Well - I've been looking around after the question was asked... Turns out
www.my-symbian.com lists specifications for as many Symbian handsets as they can manage and have pretty verbose listings - including RAM values - though some entries have this area empty as it's obvious they as-yet don't have the relevant information...
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aquila2: I'm not too confident about the numbers you gave... Unfortunately the site both you and I mentioned don't as-yet list most of the N-Range's RAM values barring the N80 which has 45MB total and 19MB free after bootup... Which makes me, as I said, a little hesitant to go with the figures you're just assuming are standard across a range!!!
' The E60, E61, and E70 are listed as having 48MB total with approx. 22MB free after boot... And these phones are running the race pretty much alongside their N-Range bretheren.
' As such I think we can still safely say (though admittably still conjecture - until we have definitive numbers for the rest of the N-Range) that the UIQ3 phones revealed to us thusfar are still streaks ahead in the RAM department.
' Sorry. Hehe. ;-D
' ~Moi
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Posted: 2006-05-25 12:28:55
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About the RAM, the Symbian OS discards the least used application running on RAM if the available RAM ends.
Although many applications don't behave properly when the OS requests them to close - usually they crash - the most recently *used* applications usually don't have memory issues.
Of course, the bigger the memory the better.
My P910 boots with 56 processes on RAM (results of Magic Launcher), 13 of them are applications (results of SMan)
These can easily increase after running other applications.
My P910 it's using 16.3MB of RAM (of 32MB)
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Posted: 2006-05-25 12:40:44
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@_LAU_: Yep... Most of us are aware of how the OS manages the need for RAM... The argument(s) being made here though is that the more RAM one has built into (and available after boot) a device, the more complex the potential application, as well as granting one the ability to run more application simultaneously!
' BTW - can't say I've really experienced much \"crashing\" of applications when they're asked to shut down due to RAM constraints on my P900... The only application I've really had this with (not too infrequently) has been the Opera browser - and only when the page being browsed maxes out
all available memory (RAM) on the entire device!!!
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@all: BTW, it seems like
www.allaboutsymbian.com also has a number of devices (Nokia or otherwise) for which they keep specifications etc. online - and I see they have some data my-symbian doesn't have and vica-versa.
' So it really looks like it's a shot-in-the-dark sorta situation with regards finding solid, dependable information regarding RAM in Nokia models. SE make it so much easier by providing it themselves, no? <smiles>
' More info found:
' N70 has 58MB RAM total.
' N90 has 48MB RAM total.
' ~Moi
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Posted: 2006-05-25 12:56:43
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@ aquila2,
If you read my posts, you should understand that I am basing the N80's "operating memory" of 10MB via mobile review's owners feedback
Here's a recap on page 2 of this thread: "...The N80, from mobile reivew's forum was found to be having only 10MB at boot time..."
Secondly, my posts are to highlight to esato members about what Nokia failed to clearly advises their customers, ie, the available active RAM (or what Michal calls it operating memory).
If Nokia has been honest to customers like SE when comes to active RAM, then there is no need for us to "guess" today and no need for me to type in such long winded posts.
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Posted: 2006-05-25 14:34:32
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@adhnk1: Check out my replies to aquila2 and you'll see I managed to find \"solid\" info on a number of Blokia's re. RAM - including N80 (45MB total / 19MB free)...
' ~Moi
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Posted: 2006-05-25 15:16:04
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I was not claiming that nokia S60 phones have more memory, but I was just saying that it is more then 10mb.
it is simply not true the 10MB you stated.
the amount of RAM on S60 varies from 20-30MB.
and yes it is 2-3 times less then emplyed on UIQ 3.0.
anyways, N93 and P990 should not be compared.
E61 or E70 is a directcompetition to P990, and in both cases P990 loses. not to mention, E61 is already available and costs around 300 euros less offering more ...
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Posted: 2006-05-25 16:10:57
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Aquila wrote:
anyways, N93 and P990 should not be compared.
E61 or E70 is a direct competition to P990, and in both cases P990 loses.
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I was just curious, how one can base an opinion on what makes a phone "loses" a competition, as you wrote.
I've had my P900 for 2 and a half years now and it recently gave up on me, screen failure I suppose. I resorted to a leftover Nokia 7610, Series 60, which I know quite well. Let me just say this: When you get used to the P-series and the jog dial, not to mention the touch screen and writing recognition, S60 would definitely be a lesson in patience. Multi-tapping to add numbers and appointments? How can anyone do this all day?
Opera Mini, my app of choice nowadays, is quite good on S60, but the problem is, again, the 4-way linear mode of navigation.
I sincerely hope my P900 can be fixed, cheap that is. But meanwhile I am slowly addapting to clicking my way through with the Nokia.
It's not the numbers or ticking the right boxes on a spec sheet. It's all about the jog-dial and touch screen, folks.
Have fun and take care of your P-series.
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Posted: 2006-05-25 21:03:02
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well, did you try E61 ?
the ergonomics is _way_ better then P series.
I've been using various touch screen based devices since 1999 but I find the ergonomics of P-series the worst I've ever experienced.
the problem is exactly that you _must_ use at least two hands to operate the phone. horrible.
and on the old P-series, the jog dial was a 5way button, wheres in the P990 it is two way only! this could be a real mess ...
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Posted: 2006-05-25 23:09:57
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' Er... No... The jog-dial on the P990 is a 3-way... But I agree that going from a 5-way to a 3-way is already a mess! <G>
' However, at the same time you're conveniently skipping over the fact that we're dealing with an entirely new interface here!!! UIQ v.3 keeps all the good aspects and interface methodology of UIQ v.2.x whilst adding additional options - optimization for one-handed use for one...
' As such I don't think you can possibly compare the E-Series to the P990 as yet - not until one has had hand-on experience with both (in final release versions!!!)!
' I expect, however, that due to the pure number of interfacing options made available to one on the P990 that this will put down the E-Series - at least from the perspective of this argument re. ergonomics!
' Oh! I've been a PDA / mobile-device user since 1995 and have experienced a really, really large subset of different devices and device-types, ergonomics, etc. and I still find that the P-Series devices are among the best all-round devices I've ever had the pleasure to use.
' So I suppose what this really says is \"different strokes for different folks\" - everyone is going to have different wants, needs and requirements and different views on what's good, great, bad, etc.
' <Shrugs>
' ~Moi
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Posted: 2006-05-26 09:26:19
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