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congrats dogmann
i think im going to hold off on getting new headphones for a little bit though.... got some other things to buy..... so will stick to my ds970..... maybe a set of Bose in ear later or mdr-ex90's or what ever they called from sony or some v-moda's
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Posted: 2007-04-11 15:49:55
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The Sennhieser CX-300 is a "sound" investment. I got one and am using it with my Sony Ericsson W880i, which I bought 2 weeks ago, and I truly have no complaints about it.
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Posted: 2007-04-14 13:54:14
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I typed a freaking long post and IE just had to crash on me.
Anyway, what I wanted to say is give this thread a look:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=127939#post1729325
In that thread I recommended the Philips SHE9500
Also the Creative EP630 is a good buy.
These two are good canalphones and produce nice tight bass. They are for bass-heads.
Anyway, I realized how crap the
phones were once I got a good pair of headphones.
I've now dumped the
and went back to my Creative MuVo2 and I'm using it with the awesome Audio Technica ATH-ES7 headphones which I got just last week.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the source is just as important as the headphones, so don't waste your money on Shure or Etymotic when all you're gonna do is just play it from your phone. The Philips SHE9500 or Creative EP630 is good enough. If you're not a bass-head get the EP635.
If you're gonna get a Shure/Ety/Audio Technica/Sennheiser, then get a good mp3 player like Creative and you'll be blown away. The
phones just don't cut it.
Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 2007-04-14 14:52:30
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I use the shure E4C's and they are perfect.
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Posted: 2007-04-14 16:01:52
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On 2007-04-14 14:52:30, sanjeevjaya wrote:
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the source is just as important as the headphones, so don't waste your money on Shure or Etymotic when all you're gonna do is just play it from your phone. The Philips SHE9500 or Creative EP630 is good enough. If you're not a bass-head get the EP635.
If you're gonna get a Shure/Ety/Audio Technica/Sennheiser, then get a good mp3 player like Creative and you'll be blown away. The
phones just don't cut it.
Just my 2 cents.
Maybe, yet I notice a definite imrpovement when using my sennheiser's compared to my HPM-70 ear buds, so I think the walkman sound quality is atleast good enough to reveal differences between high end and mid range headphones.
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Posted: 2007-04-14 18:44:37
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@sanjeevjaya
I don't think i can wholly agree with you as now most if not all Music players are of a more than decent quality in most mid to top range phones.
What i think is important to remember is that the sound you will get is reliant on the two weakest links and these IMO will effect the results more than any other factor. The first is how you connect the headphones to the phone as a lack of quality in this will really drag the overall performance down, so a cheap connector off E-Bay or the like really is a waste of money IMO.
The second of course is the headphones i was quite happy with the performance of the Sony MDR-EX71SL but the wires are very thin which does not do the performance any favours. Seeing as the Shure EC2's were only £40 i don't consider that outrageously expensive for what they are. Also my last headphones have lasted me a good couple of years so an upgrade every couple of years is quite reasonable I think.
The first thing i noticed on getting them was just how much thicker the cable is plus of course the overall feel of the construction an upgrade to the next level up of Sony's would only of saved me about £10 and personally i think the increase in quality was well worth an extra £10 as the resulting performance really is quite amazing IMO.
The other factor is the bit rate at which the Music is encoded but as memory cards prices have continued to fall i always encode at the best quality and highest rate as in AAC @ 160kbps this still only averages at 4mb per track so am able to get plenty of albums on a 2gb card.
There really isn't only one choice as everyone's preference's will be slightly different dependant on the type of music they listen to for how long and in what environments and of course the budget they have.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-04-14 18:46:11
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@Dogman and max_wedge
Yes, what you guys are saying is also true, however, what I meant is that if you get high end canalphones, you won't be making full use of them.
@max_wedge, of course there will be a noticable difference, I didn't say the
was thaaat bad or did I?
In fact I agree when you change headphones there will be a noticeable difference, hence my sugestion of the Philips SHE9500 or Creative.
The HPM is crap anyway.
About changing the headphones and noticing the difference, the same thing applies to what I said, just as you would notice a considerable difference in SQ when you change headphones, so will you when you change from a
phone to a better Mp3 player. I hope you understand what I mean?
I'm just saying no point in going high end if the
phone is gonna be the limiting factor.
@Dogman, I'm just saying that the
isn't one of the best out there, I'm not saying its the worst, just that is not up to par with the best of mp3 players. But its not bad for a phone.
Maybe its because I hang around Audiophile forums too much. I've crossed over to the dark side.
I wasn't picky about the
SQ, but now I am.
Just my 2 cents.
BTW, a little OT, but anyone know the SNR of the
phones?
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Posted: 2007-04-14 20:09:42
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sanjeevjaya, I accept that there are going to be better mp3 players out there. I once had a creative muvo, the first version (128MB, without lcd) but never did back to back tests against my phone (a K700 at the time). Basic impressions where that it was much the same but with slightly higher volume output. But then K750 has better volume output than K700 also. And I never did proper testing with higher codecs.
A device like the early Muvo I owned won't be as competent as the latest ones from creative though I'm sure.
Dogman - itunes, nero, db poweramp etc can rip aac vbr at higher than 160Kbps. Perhaps you are thinking about ABR codecs?
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Posted: 2007-04-15 02:35:51
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@MaxWedge,
Actually for ease of use i use Nokia Music manager as in all honestly i am lazy and like things to be as easy as possible. So just put a CD in the drive and it converts automatically for me one click and it and transfers to the memory card. I have found 160kpbs AAC to both give small file size and great quality so if it ain't broke i ain't gonna fix it. LOL As i said even 50% of volume is very loud and I'm closer to 50 than 40 so am sure my hearing is not as good as it has been. I also don't doubt that a dedicated Music Player would quite possibly give better results but there is no way i would carry another device and then have the problem of not knowing when my phone was ringing. Oh yes and sorry i should of pointed out i am not using a Walkman phone but my N93.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-04-15 02:28 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-15 03:24:32
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That explains it dogman, and you are right, 160Kbps is pretty good, pretty much on par with 192Kbps in MP3 format.
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Posted: 2007-04-15 03:47:54
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