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On 2007-01-23 08:54:12, mib1800 wrote:
Quote:phones will always have demand as long as people want good mp3 players as their phones.
Putting a good mp3 player in phone is not difficult at all. Others have already caught up with SE in aspect but SE is still lag behind others in areas like video rec and tv-out, wifi, web, screen, connectivity, gps, standard acc (3.5mm jack/mini-usb) and of course a viable smartphone platform.
We're talking about consumer friendly products here, and Sony Ericsson has managed to understand the consumer perfectly.
They realise that most people aren't ready for smartphones and bloated phones. That's why they've moved to focusing on phones for different people.
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Posted: 2007-01-24 02:15:13
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@shaliron "different phones for different people" Yep, they took a leaf out of Nokia's book, but are doing it better!
btw, @MIB old son, nice to see you here! Atleast you have fronted in this topic, I can't see mario anywhere!
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Posted: 2007-01-24 02:44:20
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On 2007-01-23 09:17:39, goldenface wrote:
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Sour Grapes!
None of the others have caught up with
At this time back in 2005 they were all trumpeting their respective music-phone solutions, Nokia was ready with its attempt, Moto had the ROKR etc and they were all ready for the music-phone battle.
There is a good reason why
players came out on top and that is because only
was wise enough to come through with good marketing and building up a comprehensive range of players.
For the others its now too little, too late as
has captured the youth market and will have it for some time to come.
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I think so. too.
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Posted: 2007-01-24 05:46:52
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goldenface None of the others have caught up with At this time back in 2005 they were all trumpeting their respective music-phone solutions, Nokia was ready with its attempt, Moto had the ROKR etc and they were all ready for the music-phone battle.
SE has triumphed in music phones in 2006. This is because the competition were caught with their pants down. There were no serious music offering. Nokia was busy with their smartphones and moto/samsung with thin phone. In 2007, moto has z6 and samsung will go into music in big way. Nokia s60 phones has come down in size, better performance and price (e.g 6290/n76/n95) which not just music-centric but has a host of other advanced features (like multimedia and video recording).
It is easy to win a battle when there is no/few opponents. So let's just see how SE will fare this year when the competitions fight back.
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EMS06The topic reads 'Nokia toppled as UK no 1 by Sony Ericsson' and nokia fans find that a bitter pill to swallow. For far too long they have been looking at SE as a small company that poses no threat whatsoever. Well, the tide is turning and turning fast. No wonder some of them come up with excuses and reason to runaway from the real issue here. Give credit where it is due.
You jump the gun. There is no bitter pill. SE may have topple Nokia during the last quarter of 06, but whether SE is at the top for whole of 2006 in UK is yet to be seen. Dont forget that in many countries SE are not seen in the chart.
What is obvious is that SE has done very well last year. (there, i am giving credit where it is due. i dont see SE fans giving credit to nokia eventhough their market share is also increasing). But before SE fans go to cloud nine, just remember that once, people used to say samsung was unstoppable. Let's just see whether SE can still have such smooth ride when the competitions pull out their big guns and start aiming at the direction of SE.
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Posted: 2007-01-24 06:39:32
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On 2007-01-24 06:39:32, mib1800 wrote:
It is easy to win a battle when there is no/few opponents. So let's just see how SE will fare this year when the competitions fight back.
Well tell me the opponents to the phones from Nokia like the N73, N80 etc.? As I recall, they are the only mainstream smartphones in the market. No competition, yet that didn't give Nokia much of a win. In fact Nokia placed the N73 against the 'dumb' K800 as its main rival because it thought the market was ready for smartphones.
A win is a win. And SE won because it struck at the right time. Nokia has struck to early with their smartphones.
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SE has triumphed in music phones in 2006. This is because the competition were caught with their pants down. There were no serious music offering. Nokia was busy with their smartphones and moto/samsung with thin phone. In 2007, moto has z6 and samsung will go into music in big way. Nokia s60 phones has come down in size, better performance and price (e.g 6290/n76/n95) which not just music-centric but has a host of other advanced features (like multimedia and video recording).
Even though SE didn't have high tech offerings doesn't mean that it wasn't successful. The way you put it, it's all based around which manufacturer can pull out the best spec sheet.
This is business. It's about making money, and the way to do that is to target the market properly and to understand it. SE understood the market, which is reflected in its success.
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What is obvious is that SE has done very well last year. (there, i am giving credit where it is due. i dont see SE fans giving credit to nokia eventhough their market share is also increasing).
Nice to hear such complementary comments, but the reason why we don't really acknowledge the ever increasing market share of Nokia and Moto are because a lot of their market share is based around ultra low end phones.
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One retail source said: “Sony Ericsson’s had a stunning year. It’s edged Nokia out. Nokia is selling a lot of volume at the low-end. Nokia is strong for low-end handsets. Sony Ericsson’s releasing monster handsets with great functionality. That’s good for networks, which want users to download content and increase ARPU.”
Like comparing Hyundai (Motorola) with Mercedes (SE).
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Posted: 2007-01-24 07:18:30
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Quote:No competition, yet that didn't give Nokia much of a win. In fact Nokia placed the N73 against the 'dumb' K800 as its main rival because it thought the market was ready for smartphones. A win is a win. And SE won because it struck at the right time. Nokia has struck to early with their smartphones.
SE sells tonnes of w8**. But these W phones are much cheaper than N73/n80. They are in different segments. The only Nokia phones in that category is 6233/6280/7*. But these phones are not music centric.
Like I say, SE won in 2006 in music because there were not much competition. The big question is whether SE can hold on to the win when the competition get serious. Samsung won in clamshell 2 years ago because European makers like Nokia neglects the clamshell. And then Nokia woke up and start making clamshell phones to fight back.
Quote:acknowledge the ever increasing market share of Nokia and Moto are because a lot of their market share is based around ultra low end phones.
But you forgot Nokia's s60 high end phones sales are increasing at 3 times the pace of the general market trend. And Nokia is at the forefront in technology by introducing phones like n80/93/76/91/95. SE phone just dont stir the interest of the tech community. In terms of hardware/software specs/capability, I can safely say SE is still way behind.
Quote:which want users to download content and increase ARPU. Like comparing Hyundai (Motorola) with Mercedes (SE).
Certainly SE is not selling Mercedes.
Toyotas maybe. Smartphones like the N-series are the mercedes. Profit margin from the sales of smartphones are much higher than industry avg.
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Posted: 2007-01-24 10:25:31
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goldenface None of the others have caught up with At this time back in 2005 they were all trumpeting their respective music-phone solutions, Nokia was ready with its attempt, Moto had the ROKR etc and they were all ready for the music-phone battle.
SE has triumphed in music phones in 2006. This is because the competition were caught with their pants down. There were no serious music offering. Nokia was busy with their smartphones and moto/samsung with thin phone. In 2007, moto has z6 and samsung will go into music in big way. Nokia s60 phones has come down in size, better performance and price (e.g 6290/n76/n95) which not just music-centric but has a host of other advanced features (like multimedia and video recording).
It is easy to win a battle when there is no/few opponents. So let's just see how SE will fare this year when the competitions fight back.
This is all well and good but
music phones have the higher profile and
sold more mp3 phones than iPods last quarter, so much so that most analysts now believe
is a threat to the iPod and vice-versa.
Multimedia, video capabilities, tv-out etc aren't mainstream yet and they won't be until someone comes up with a good way of marketing it.
Plus I don't know why you brought S60 into the discussion. Go up to the average person in the street and say to them "S60" and they won't have the foggiest what your talking about. Say
to them and more often than not they will!
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Posted: 2007-01-24 10:35:31
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On 2007-01-24 10:25:31, mib1800 wrote:
shaliron
Quote:No competition, yet that didn't give Nokia much of a win. In fact Nokia placed the N73 against the 'dumb' K800 as its main rival because it thought the market was ready for smartphones. A win is a win. And SE won because it struck at the right time. Nokia has struck to early with their smartphones.
SE sells tonnes of w8**. But these W phones are much cheaper than N73/n80. They are in different segments. The only Nokia phones in that category is 6233/6280/7*. But these phones are not music centric.
Like I say, SE won in 2006 in music because there were not much competition. The big question is whether SE can hold on to the win when the competition get serious. Samsung won in clamshell 2 years ago because European makers like Nokia neglects the clamshell. And then Nokia woke up and start making clamshell phones to fight back.
Quote:acknowledge the ever increasing market share of Nokia and Moto are because a lot of their market share is based around ultra low end phones.
But you forgot Nokia's s60 high end phones sales are increasing at 3 times the pace of the general market trend. And Nokia is at the forefront in technology by introducing phones like n80/93/76/91/95. SE phone just dont stir the interest of the tech community. In terms of hardware/software specs/capability, I can safely say SE is still way behind.
Quote:which want users to download content and increase ARPU. Like comparing Hyundai (Motorola) with Mercedes (SE).
Certainly SE is not selling Mercedes.
Toyotas maybe. Smartphones like the N-series are the mercedes. Profit margin from the sales of smartphones are much higher than industry avg.
How many Nokia buyers buy the phone because of its symbian qualities compared to those that just buy the phone because its the latest Nokia?
SE is keeping Nokio on their toes!
Im sure the smart phone segment will be taken over by SE or HTC in the next couple of years. HTC is already doing far better than they expected.
Nokia is still just doing well becuase of the Name, wont be long now till people realise how crap it really is.
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Posted: 2007-01-24 10:37:42
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Multimedia, video capabilities, tv-out etc aren't mainstream yet and they won't be until someone comes up with a good way of marketing it.
But this will certainly come. People are looking at N95/93 to replace their camcorder. Nokia is pushing "multimedia computer".
Quote: Go up to the average person in the street and say to them "S60" and they won't have the foggiest what your talking about.
True on s60. But I am pretty sure these people will tell you (if u ask them
) that
N-series phones have more advanced functionality than say a w810 eventhough they may not know the full extent of the "more".
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Posted: 2007-01-24 11:05:50
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The ipod is highly overrated and I think a lotta ppl like to have a phone and mp3 player in one device. That makes the
so successful.
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