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Chill out it aint that bad if you see someone moaning about them dont read it. I only moan about SE sometimes cos i find their phones more unreliable than Nokia and i feel money is wasted buying from a company who keep making phones that dont work. Sorry.
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Posted: 2007-06-01 22:41:38
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On 2007-06-01 22:41:38, Seanyb2 wrote:
Chill out it aint that bad if you see someone moaning about them dont read it. I only moan about SE sometimes cos i find their phones more unreliable than Nokia and i feel money is wasted buying from a company who keep making phones that dont work. Sorry.
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It's comments like that that aren't helpful Seanyb2. You see it's a complete unsubstantiated myth that SE phones aren't reliable anymore. The only people who post such sillyness are those who had ONE bad SE in their hand. There are plenty of N95 owners I've noticed complain about the N95 but on the whole those guys aren't saying Nokia phones are crap and unreliable. They recognise they got a lemon, they are not turning one bad experience into a mission to make all people realise how bad Nokia is.
All >500 is saying, NOT that we can't argue or criticise, but that we needn't resort to bashing a whole company and all their phones based on one or two experiences or having read a bad review (reviewers can be wrong too).
There IS a lot of SE bashing going on at the moment - many Nokia fanboys coming in and making out SE are crap. It's just not helpful.
It's true that SE are running the middle road - to increase marketshare - aren't they entitled? For years Nokia fanboys ranted on about how SE couldn't match Nokia in the market - now SE are giving it a really good go and a few SE loyalists now want to jump ship and become fanboys for another company?? I mean if they really supported SE they would just notice that SE actually have some very good phones at the moment. Maybe not as leading edge as N95 (atleast N95 is only leading edge if you don't consider lack of Touchscreen, and you don't see me writing on Nokia forums how bad Nokia are 'cause they don't support TS now do you?)
I'm an SE loyalist, and I'm prepared to wait and see what SE will be offering once they complete the marketshare expansion stage of their business plan - I'm a loyalist and I am not ashamed of SE at all. I am quite pleased that SE have finally started to grow marketshare, and soon they will really start eating into Nokia's market.
Then, when they have the same sort of cash flow as Nokia and start producing Nokia beating mobile phones on all fronts, ALL the departed SE fanboys will come running back and proclaim how they've always loved SE. Meanwhile, true SE loyalists will have been the ones waiting patiently in the sidelines, never having doubted for a minute that SE are capable of making incredible phones.
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Posted: 2007-06-02 02:24:07
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@>500 and th rest - PLEASE be careful with your hearts here
Valentine's Day is still 8 months-away
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Posted: 2007-06-02 02:53:44
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@all
I think it is also very strange that any one that dares suggest SE are anything less than perfect and point out any of their problems or shortcomings is immediately labelled as a Nokia Fan boy but for SE loyalists to put down Nokia is perfectly okay.
If we are discussing any SE faults or shortcomings what possible relevance does any other manufacturers actions have and the simple answer is none. It is nothing more than diversionary tactics to cloud the issue because lets face it in reality some of the complaints are both justifiable and indefensible. Yet their are some here that if SE realeased a White phone and declared it Black they will always see it as Black.
Some of us here have been using Mobile device since they first launched and were originally Ericsson fans first and with good reason basically they produced the highest quality most reliable and innovative devices. They may not of been the best looking but they were class and worth the money.
Some of us that complain and criticize SE don't do it because we hate SE far from it we do it because we are frustrated at what is going on. Why should we all support the emperors new clothes when he is naked? Pretending everything is is alright when it isn't really achieves nothing other than being in denial. There is no perfect device and there is very likely never going to be one they all have there good and bad points and only what is right for you really matters. But the lack of features and tech that are in devices from a lot of other manufacturers yet still not from SE is IMO a justifiable compliant and to pretend there is not this difference when all the evidence says so is just absurd. What ever many of you say if you go back and check the threads that degenerate into insults and fan wars it is mostly started by attacks from the SE faithful as it is the only way they seem able to defend their beloved SE. I just want SE to release something i really want with the specs i am looking for and stop these announcements that come to very little, what has happened to 7-8 new UIQ3 devices that where meant to be coming? what has happened to the 5 mega pixel camera phone? If SE deliver these we will all shut up and buy them and then most probably bitch about whats wrong with them or how great they are.
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Posted: 2007-06-02 03:09:25
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It's not you that I label a fanboy of anykind dogman. Your posts are reasoned and usually appropriate (even if I don't agree that it's as bad as you say it is), but I'll defend to the death your right to say it
I don't know who >500 is thinking of but for me I don't think of you as one of those SE bashers, so please don't think my post is directed at you or your posts. I do think you are a bit short sighted if you believe that SE are as bad as you say, and just because they don't have the phones you like doesn't make them deficient (Nokia doesn't have decent touchscreen, so in my book that makes Nokia useless to me - but that doesn't apply to you because you don't prefer touchscreens - an issue of preference not technical superiority).
I don't mind you saying it though because you put forth your reasoning. I do think though that many issues that people complain about SE are simply matters of preference and not a matter of better technology per se.
And if it's an issue of preference then how does making an argument that SE don't produce good phones achieve anything constructive? If the thread is entitled "why don't SE make hsdpa phones" or "why doesn't se make vga recording" then it's a much more constructive thread. But really, the idea that SE don't make good phones is a bit far fetched and smacks of bitterness and resentment rather than any kind of constructive attempt to discuss SE shortcomings.
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Posted: 2007-06-02 03:45:26
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maxwedge said """All >500 is saying, NOT that we can't argue or criticise, but that we needn't resort to bashing a whole company and all their phones based on one or two experiences or having read a bad review (reviewers can be wrong too)."""
thats what i mean. This doesnt only include
bashing, its the other companies too so i dont know why every one is thinking
only..... discuss what you like, say what you dont like or like, but no need to repeat it over and over again in a thread. Its just not a discussion any more when you do this.... opinions are most welcome, just not company bashing, sure you dont like them, say it once, then keep rest to your self, and buy from other companies.... simple fix.
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Posted: 2007-06-02 04:01:13
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sorry for being off topic but if it's the case i think Samsung and Motorola should also stop their abuse too
too many ultra thin samsungs, few innovations
too many RAZR thin phones few innovations and few interest me either
too many
? few innovations
too any N-series , most are brick
and have poor constructions
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Posted: 2007-06-02 04:06:46
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@raze - All of them are - ABUSIVE of their . . . whatever ! Specially that of - Nokia
At the end . . . it will all BOIL down to the consumers, how will they take it !
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Posted: 2007-06-02 04:14:53
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On 2007-06-02 04:06:46, razec wrote:
sorry for being off topic but if it's the case i think Samsung and Motorola should also stop their abuse too
too many ultra thin samsungs, few innovations
too many RAZR thin phones few innovations and few interest me either
too many
? few innovations
too any N-series , most are brick
and have poor constructions
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motorola motorizr z8
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samsung i600
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nokia n95
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sonyericsson w950i
I wonder what kind of fanboy I am?
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Posted: 2007-06-02 05:12:00
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On 2007-06-02 04:14:53, *Jojo* wrote:
@raze - All of them are - ABUSIVE of their . . . whatever ! Specially that of - Nokia
At the end . . . it will all BOIL down to the consumers, how will they take it !
that's what i wanted to emphasize to all those posters complaining SE
! it's not only
that makes abuse but nokia, samsung and motorola too!
but i understand >500's point it's for the sake of both the company and it's costumers. but i remember this thing already happened before in nokia and ATI, ATI during it's early years were concentrated in making too many mid-ranged graphics cards to save the company from looses and earn profits to invest for a higher-end cards, then catches up after later, making it the greatest graphics contender of the Graphics behemoth NVIDIA, similar thing applies to nokia though they are the largest already, they concentrated more on mid smartphones and decided to leave 7700's development to concentrate more on S60 to increase their market share, then one day N-series was launched, boasting of high-end features and beating all feature smartphones atm. a behavior sported by
at this moment when they concentrate on Mid-range, but we could assure they'll catch up with nokia's high-end in the near future, even beating their high-performance N-series feature and quality wise(typically because Sony influences them
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at my point of view, if fans force SE to produce full-featured/high-end phones prematurely, they'll probably experience losses as what benq-siemens did
thus we'll loose one of the quality phone makers then
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Posted: 2007-06-02 05:17:16
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