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@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
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Posted: 2007-09-28 14:45:41
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On 2007-09-28 14:45:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
Marc
because O2 have realised they have f*cked up big style? and have sent a memo out to store staff?
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Posted: 2007-09-28 14:50:22
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On 2007-09-26 15:08:18, Dogmann wrote:
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Sorry again but the PAYG is not a contract and either 02 or Apple will have to sell the unlock code. Their is no law that says you have to be a customer of a Network to get an unlock code on an unsubsidized phone as it is not legal to sell an unsubsidised phone that is locked to one Network. That quite simply is where the law comes into effect you can not be forced to use a particular Network on a bought paid for and owned device, it is yours to use on which ever Network you choose it is illegal to have it locked to one Network or if it is to refuse to sell you an unlock code.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-26 14:11 ]
I would think O2 or Apple would have thought of this legal implication. There must be deterence. Can it be that even with an unlock code, the iphone is not usable until you activate it. Or maybe you cannot unlock it with the code UNTIL after you activated it. There is no precedence here as no other phone needs to be activated like iphone. So it is a grey area. Does the law equate activation process with network lock?
So what happen during activation? I am sure there will be a contract somewhere within this process. So will the activation process succeed without you taking up a contract? And you may need to activate with a specific sim card like those in the US.
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Posted: 2007-09-28 17:06:31
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On 2007-09-28 14:50:22, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-09-28 14:45:41, Dogmann wrote:
@Daedalus85
How can you say it is subsidised if it is the same price on PAYG or Contract name me one other device and especially a premium device where this is so. Also as pointed out at point of sale you own the iPhone outright so how or why do you think it is subsidised?
Marc
because O2 have realised they have f*cked up big style? and have sent a memo out to store staff?
No, because I chose to say that, not them, my opinions are my own and not that of O2.
I'm GUESSING it's been subsidised ok? Theres no way something like that would be a measly £269 sim free, even the N95 isn't close to that yet (and before you all jump in, I'm talking HIGH STREET sim free, not expansys or ebay....). If you think about it logically, O2 must be paying something towards it.
Anyway, it's just dawned on me, why the hell are we arguing so much across several threads for something thats ultimately a pointless device, I think i'm going to throw in the towel soon and say "fine, whatever, argue amounst yourselves".
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Posted: 2007-09-28 18:22:03
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Hi all,
Really simple now people activation process or not neither Apple or 02 can force you to have to use a device you own outright on one Network. If Apple are forcing you activate it only using an 02 Sim that is illegal and a restrictive practice. Obviously they want you to use 02 so as they get their kickback commission but what they want and what is legal are two entirely different things.
As i said from the start they have just copied the US sales and activation model which in the US is perfectly legal, but here and in the EU it isn't. Again if they are prepared to sell you a PAYG Sim how can there be a contract or subside if it is still the same purchase price. I'm sure Apple and 02 think by forcing you to use a special Sim card and activation process they are covered, i and quite a few others all hold a different opinion on this currently including OFCOM.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-28 17:49 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-28 18:39:37
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On 2007-09-28 18:22:03, Daedalus85 wrote:
why the hell are we arguing so much across several threads for something thats ultimately a pointless device,
Whoa! hold up kiddy...two of the greatest devices in recent history getting rolled into one is a big deal by anyones standard..
first of all the phone, undoubtedly the greatest communication tool man has ever come up with..... without the phone, there would be no internet, sky tv, mobiles, banks letting you get money out all over the world (no atms) life would be not so rosy...
then along came the apple iPod.. not the first Mp3 player but it's the iPod that bought mp3 players to the masses along with a drop dead sexy design, has revolutionised the way we carry and think about music..
so then along comes a phone and an iPod!? that's big news, I know of no other phone with an 8gb micro drive in it... or any other phone that has an iPod on it...
while the iPhone might be what we have to come to expect of phones, it is Apples first attempt (and they are American), people gunned down cds when they were first launched, now look where we are, we've gone through, CD-R, CD-RW, SACD and now we are on DVD, DVD R9, DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD+/- RW and DVD +/- DL.... and just coming into the mass market BluRay and HD-DVD.... without CDs, the next generation would not be as it is, just think of the iPhone like that, small acorns grow into big oak trees......
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Posted: 2007-09-28 18:51:05
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8GB ipod with a crap phone bolted in one hand
8GB M2 card in a P1i in the other
umm, you do the math.
Ok, maybe not the worlds best example, but really, I laugh every time I read the promo material we've been given for the iPhone, I mean what in the name of everything is so 'revolutionary' about it?
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Posted: 2007-09-28 21:14:39
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once you play with one you'll understand.. there a lot of things that the interface does that truly makes it a great device to use...i moved over from a p1i which i loved.. but the iphone so has just been more fun...
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http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=152437&start=0[ This Message was edited by: DragonEye on 2007-09-28 20:23 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-28 21:23:27
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Superluminova Posts: > 500
People who haven't tried an iPhone can't possible understand how great a device it is to use. Its so simple and easy to use, yes it has flaws and some are major, how every it more than makes it for these with fantastic software and stunning design.
Plus lets not forget every phone has flaw's and this is apples FIRST phone! How many has sony ericsson and nokia had over the years? Yup hundreds and they still have flaws. Funny that.
So first and foremost, dont knock it till you've tried it.
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Posted: 2007-09-28 21:47:41
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Here here! I hope to be getting one soon, can't wait, my life will be complete. It's not for everyone but i can see it doing very well over here.
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Posted: 2007-09-28 21:50:57
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