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On 2008-03-18 11:55:55, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all
Actually if you read what i said ...
...At the end of the day use what ever you are happy with but no one will ever convenience that low bit rates with stock headphones on a Phone will beat a dedicated player with high bit rates and a good set of headphones logic says this is just not possible.
It's all well and good to have a preferred brand to look at first but just buying by brand is only cheating yourself of possibly a better option and really that goes for anything you buy.
And if you read what I said, I didn't rubbish iPods, Walkmans, high bit rates, or the people who choose to use them.
I have had my music on the same bit rate for three years and have noticed a significant difference in the V640i and HPM-64 over the K700i, V800, V630i, and Nokia 6234 I used.
I would like to get a large capacity M2 card so that I can start updating my music to 196 kbps or higher but until then I'm happy with what I've got.
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Posted: 2008-03-18 14:17:12
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Muhammad-Oli Posts: > 500
Slightly off topic but what capacity M2 came with your V640i, carkitter?
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Posted: 2008-03-18 14:22:15
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256MB same as the V630i.
The V800 I bought recently has a 512MB MSPD in it but as it's not my everyday phone I haven't bothered to add anything other than a few favourite themes and ringtones. It's currently providing the 3G connection I'm using for this post.
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Posted: 2008-03-18 14:28:16
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On 2008-03-18 11:55:55, Dogmann wrote:
At the end of the day use what ever you are happy with but no one will ever convenience that low bit rates with stock headphones on a Phone will beat a dedicated player with high bit rates and a good set of headphones logic says this is just not possible.
but wouldn't it be a fairer comparison to compare THE SAME bitrate and the same headphones on different devices? Rather than the good headphones to stock and high bitrates to low?
The differences are then far less marked.
I use 256Kbps and 320Kbps (I mostly use 320Kbps MP3 from CD, or itunes plus at 256Kbps AAC). For Headphones I use either my HPM-70 headphones, which most reviewers on head-fi and other places compare to the Sony EX71 (the EX71 gets it's share of praise from audiophiles), or the Creative ep630 which is basically a rebadged Sennheiser CX300 (both also get their share of praise), or my full size Sennheiser HD202.
In constrast the stock headphones that come with non-walkmen models are poor. And while carkitter is happy enough, and all power to him, I switched up from the 96Kbps I used on my K700 as soon I had a phone with expandable memory. When I did comparisons back then, I noticed a high degree of clarity being stripped from the 96Kbps tracks even compared to 128Kbps. For example cymbals losing their resonance and instead sounding like they were being hit with a rag damping the cymbal. I couldn't go back to 96Kbps.
Not all people who claim SE music players are good quality use stock headphones and low bitrates.
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Posted: 2008-03-18 15:53:07
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Apple IPOD sound's good but for me the Sony NWZ-A810 sounds better the only thing i dont like about Sony is that they don't have enough space but the battery life is better than the Apple IPOD's.
Sony
Pros: Great Battery Life
Sound's Great (For Me)
Cons: Small Screen
Not Enough Space
Apple IPOD's
Pros: Great Space
Cons: Not That Great Battery life
[ This Message was edited by: manster on 2008-03-18 17:11 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-18 18:10:00
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On 2008-03-18 11:55:55, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all
Actually if you read what i said i was very careful to point out that as individuals what is great for some isn't for others, and also dependant on what each of us has been exposed to will also effect what we find good or even great.
At the end of the day use what ever you are happy with but no one will ever convenience that low bit rates with stock headphones on a Phone will beat a dedicated player with high bit rates and a good set of headphones logic says this is just not possible.
Now whether a Sony MP3 player is better than any other or the Ipod is the best is always down to an individuals personal preference some may prefer a brand and even subconsciously this will make them prefer one set over another as long as you are happy with what you are using enjoy it. But then don't make absurd claims like all iPod's are rubbish just because you don't like them.
It's all well and good to have a preferred brand to look at first but just buying by brand is only cheating yourself of possibly a better option and really that goes for anything you buy.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-18 10:56 ]
Ive had a 5th Gen ipod as well as an ipod touch and was using them with decent Senhissers headphones. Neither compared to the Sony NW - S700. In terms of my listening pleasure Sony came out on top.
Generally this can be hotly debated but ultimatley its based on your own perception so if you think something better than the other then you will go for that.
I remember not to far back you mentioned the N95 8gb produced as good feeback as a 5th gen ipod but to be honest in my experience (and ive had both devices) neither match up to the Sony with noise cancelling technology.
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Posted: 2008-03-18 19:01:41
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@Manster
Sorry but i really fail to see how you can say iPod's don't have good battery life anything that will last me a day as far as i am concerned has sufficient battery life. As to charge any devcie last thing at night is hardly difficult or inconvenient i really fail to see why people get so hung up on their battery has to last days.
@Max
My previous headphones where the Sony EX71-SL's and yes they were quite good but they don't get close to my current Shure's the step up in quality is very noticeable.
@The paranoid
If i meant you i would of said so it was directed at everyone who makes absurd claims without any foundation other than it appears a personal bias. I have quite clearly said use what ever you feel suits you best if you think the Walkman player is best use it, i don't so use an iPod simple really neither of us wrong we just use what suits us best. There is never a definitive answer in any of these type of threads same as there is no ultimate mobile for all, or computer or anything else for that matter. The point is to see what others think and maybe expand how we decide what is best for us.
But SE and Sony are quite simply not always the best how ever much some of you want them to be and the proof of this is easy as if SE where the best they would be higher than 4th with under 10% market share and Sony would dominate every other field the sell in which they don't.
@Bav
I did indeed intially say that but i also on going back to the iPod one last time to check then reported that on further checking this was not so and had kept the iPod for listening to Music. I think this can be found in my N95 8gb review and was quite some time ago, as i always report things as i find them and don't twist them to fit a cause as cheating myself would be an incredibly foolish thing to do. Just as well i kept the iPod really as it is just so much better than a Mobile devcie and especially my E90 that isn't as good as the N95/N95 8gb.
Here you go Bav it is on page 1 of my N95 8GB review part two dated 27/12/2007 about one month on from getting the N95 8GB and can be read here.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=161377&start=0
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-18 18:28 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-18 19:16:56
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On 2008-03-17 21:15:16, REO wrote:
On 2008-03-17 17:53:20, ramintop wrote:
are you serious? are you trying to say that apple ipod has a better sound quality than sony walkman?
@Ramintop
Yes ..... Absoloutely !!! If you noticed my opening statement.... I have been a Sony fan for many years. I recently purchased an iphone after noticing decreases in Sony products.
I still own several Sony products including phones and stand alone walkmans. And yes the quality of Apple does surpass Sony at this point in time.
Sometimes you have to be open to change and not be a fanatic, because this clouds your judgement and holds you back from experiencing great quality. Sony has taken a turn in the wrong direction, as a result the competition has stepped up and deliver products that are truly of better quality.
Don't be affraid of change. Change is good. It is what led me to Sony many years ago. Now I've changed once again, looking for better quality and I have found it.
When Apple slips, I will be looking for the next best thing. I am a true consumer with an open mind, and willing to put companies to the test.
Don't be led by adveritzing and great marketing. Put all theses companies to the test. Be honest with yourself, when a product is good admit to it.
Be loyal to yourself and not a brand or company !
lol im not loyal to sony, i have a cowon d2, but my words are based on audiophile sites that say that the sony walkmans have the warmest and richest sound, and all reviews of the nwza818 say its in a league of its own only based on the sound quality!
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Posted: 2008-03-19 00:20:57
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On 2008-03-18 18:10:00, manster wrote:
Apple IPOD sound's good but for me the Sony NWZ-A810 sounds better the only thing i dont like about Sony is that they don't have enough space but the battery life is better than the Apple IPOD's.
Sony
Pros: Great Battery Life
Sound's Great (For Me)
Cons: Small Screen
Not Enough Space
Apple IPOD's
Pros: Great Space
Cons: Not That Great Battery life
[ This Message was edited by: manster on 2008-03-18 17:11 ]
exactly
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Posted: 2008-03-19 01:06:27
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I got a K850 (apparently it has full Walkman Audio drivers?) and compared to Ipod, it has a smoother sound but not the volume. I like mine LOUD and mostly listen to Slipknot, Deftones etc so a bit of distortion is welcome.
In saying that, I have an 80GB 5th gen and my missus has a 8GB NANO VIDEO and the 5th Gen sounds way different - better - definately louder too - and yea, both are on flat EQ and max volume limit.
Im using Sennheisser HD212 Pros for those that really give a sh...
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Posted: 2008-03-19 01:31:06
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