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@theos and @ftyk

Getting Vodafone phones in NEW ZEALAND (is that loud enough for you?) is not like getting branded phones in Europe.

The Z600 cost me NZD$799 new in 2003.
The K700 cost me NZD$799 new in 2004.
The V800 cost me MZD$799 new + a NZD$140 512MB MSDP in 2006. Thats $939 in total.

A W910 currently costs NZD$799 and a K850 is NZD$999.

NZ Govt policy is to keep inflation below 3% so prices haven't changed much in 5 years but spec has.

A P990 cost NZD$1299 on release, looked no different than the much older P900, and had nothing significant in the spec except WIFI. I don't need the Applications and I don't get off on Qwerty keypads or Touchscreen. A the size is just WAY TOO BIG. I have no interest in it especially at the price. That's just MHO, you and others may like it and good for you!

I did manage to get a Samsung Z400v reduced from $499 to $99 and a Nokia 6234 reduced from $499 to $20 on discounts from Vodafone but I use neither as thier Nothing compared to any SE product I've used. The Samsung my wife used to replace the Z600, the 6234 my son uses to replace his 2nd hand S700 which he bought for $200 (original 2004 retail price NZD$1599)

Branded phones in thier first year of release here in NZ (which is 4 to 8 months later than Europe BTW) are NOT CHEAP and most people buy imported, new, unbranded phones from overseas.

After I lost my K700, I got an insurance policy on my V800.
When I misplaced it, They gave me a V630i after I payed the $125 excess.
When I misplaced the V630i later, they gave me a V640i again after paying the excess. Apparently, if your in business you get the excess waived but not if your an ordinary consumer like me.

Neither the V630i nor the V640i are phones I wanted. Both are mid range phones (NZD$499 and $399 respectively) and until then I had been buying premium feature phones. But these models are amazing. I've had photos taken by my non A/F V630i published in a national magazine with the caption IMPRESSIVE IMAGE. I had planned to purchase a T650 this year, but the V640i with HSDPA (which I use with my Laptop) and A200 is so good, I'm instead gonna wait for the W980 which I'll probably get as an import so that I can have it THIS YEAR and not wait 'til 2009 thanks to VodaNZ/SE NZ tardiness.

I've bought three 2nd hand V800's in the last 6 weeks simply because I like them so much and I miss the one that I lost. Two of them have WSOD which is easily repaired.

You're right that I could never afford to stay at Burj-Al-Arab, but that does not make me jealous or of poor character. I had assumed (wrongly) that you were one of the many excitable middle eastern teenagers we get on here and thats why I noted my error (now twice noted). But you have assumed wrongly of me too and now have others assuming the same.
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Posted: 2008-04-26 10:21:51
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@carkitter well, most of the dissatisfaction withe SE originates from the M600/P990 release fiasco and the way SE " dealt " with it consequently, bug portings to P1 included ... rest of it can probably be concetrated around the shortcomings of K850's camera performance and other issues. All of this problems were reported by many users here and on the other forums/sites, and although probably every device has its share of critics when released, situation with the ones mentioned was much more widespread and afected users in a more serious ways than ever before. I can't see how can you judge on these issues given the fact that you didn't use any one of them ... I can understand that you are happy with your V640, even liked the review you posted, but that does not make the fact that SE screwed up with it's high-end, any different...

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Posted: 2008-04-26 20:02:51
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I have been a member here since 2005 and I know very well about the dissatisfaction with P-series, K700 joystick failure, K750 initial firmware release constantly crashing, V800 reception problems, S500 keypad and K850 camera. But not all SE models are dogs and I think people should remember that. And I don't think that the issues Esato members complain about have greatly affected SE's sales. I think you can blame Nokia for simply producing a range of high-end phones that have everything - Wifi, 30 fps video, 16M colour screens, TV out cable, 3.5mm headphone jack, stereo speakers, etc. We all want these things and SE needs to have them. But are people taking revenge on SE with sales boycotts en-masse? I don't think so.

As a former mechanic having seen recalls on cars ranging from faulty fuel hoses to ignition systems and gearbox shafts, I guess I have a different perspective.


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Posted: 2008-04-27 10:09:24
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SE sales are definitely not rising ... and when you mentioned cars, you said " recalled " ... well, recall is a fair thing to do if a company finds out that the product is not performing as it should/was advertised, can we agree on that ? Problem here was that SE didn't do anything of that kind. Nobody expected replacement, but it would have been nice if we saw GENUINE DESIRE by SE to at least TRY to to fix the situation ! We did not see that, SE had to be bullied to do something by public outcry and bad press ! That is not a way of enlarging your customer base, is it ? ...and I don't even want to start talking about people that never update their phones and their experiences ( yes, there is a lot of people who expect that phones work as expected out of the box ) ...

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Posted: 2008-04-27 20:06:53
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Er, no.
Recalls only happen when safety is at risk. Common for cars, not so common for phones unless as Nokia found out, the battery might explode.
On 42 million phones.
Are there 42 million disgruntled P990 owners? I don't think so. Just 42 million threads about...

Anyway, I noticed that Telstra Austrailia switched off its CDMA network today and TelecomNZ will move to GSM in November, perhaps as CDMA dies it's long drawn out death, Samsung and LG will lose some sales to SE in the future.
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Posted: 2008-04-28 11:08:21
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well ... than SE is completely right for selling half-finished products ... I was delusional, sorry ... we can only hope that Nokia declare bankrupcy then and we are good for #1 !

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Posted: 2008-04-28 11:17:16
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I've been saying it for more then a year.
If SE doesn't bring back the Ericsson way of thinking they would start losing.
My personal ultimate deadline passed, and i have moved passed SE.
I find it sad for Ericsson since they'll start losing money with SE during the next Q's and years.
I myself have now become a Motorola user. Those phones have improved alot over the years, and now that the Razr's hype is over, we are seeing some nice new things.

SE should think about splitting right now. Otherwize they'll end up like Ericsson when they made phones. I don't blaim Ericsson for that, because they they made some very good working prototypes that were more advanced then SE's phones today. Back then it was all about innovation. And the lack of intrestest on the markt killed them. Now the lack of innovation is killing SE.
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Posted: 2008-04-28 11:22:48
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After 10 long years with Ericsson/Sony Ericsson I've also moved on and got myself a Moto v8 this year.

So I also contributed to SE's misery . Oops, wait a minute, I also bought from troubled Moto .

Anyway, I agree with you bart ( as always) that Ericsson's experience and expertise are invaluable. I still have those Ericssons on my signature and in excellent working condition with the exception of the R600 that seems to be needing fw upgrade.

The facts are that people are fed up wit SE and are not going to take it lying down anymore. I'm not going to repeat what's been said but the major points for me are their implementation and handling of UIQ, the walkman that has become mediocre, the cybershot that isn't matching the competition ( ok, it's the first time SE has been dethroned in that area but...) and lastly the crappy build quality. My moto V8 is simply SUPERB, nothing from SE can touch it including the w880, t650 or the w890.

Granted, it is the first quarter and a bit too early to really raise the alarm bells but these are warning signs to SE to swim or sink.

I love SE and am still looking to raplace my P910i cause I use two lines and one has to be a smartphone.The X1 has attracted my attention but if it turns out not to be as stable then I've got my sights on Nokia.
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Posted: 2008-04-28 12:47:35
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@EMS06: i'm sure Motorola will be introducing some touchscreen UIQ smartphones this year.
So instead of going to nokia and losing the touchscreen, you might want to consider a UIQ device.
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Posted: 2008-04-28 16:22:17
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That's actually not such a bad idea. I'll wait and see what moto has up its sleeves.
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Posted: 2008-04-28 18:26:20
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