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Its good to stir things up now and then, gets folk thinking!
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Posted: 2009-05-14 21:02:51
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On 2009-05-14 20:42:23, Boinng wrote:
MMS, certain Bluetooth functions, video recording, you know the list
But they're simply bolt-on features that some competitors have already, and others are adding as we speak. None of them are unique to Windows Mobile or beyond the capabilities of any other OS going forward.
We're saying the same thing but on opposite sides of the fence
I think what separates phones now is how well it works and how well it brings all of it's features together (user-experience). Hardware superiority can only exist for a few months until some better technology comes along. But, a great user-experience and ecosystem isn't going to be surpassed by a phone that has a 25MP camera with 2GB RAM, a QuadCore Snapdragon and a crappy user-experience.
I think the upcoming WM OS'es will be great IMO. Especially WM7. The Tell Me technology seems cool.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2009-05-15 01:17 ]
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Posted: 2009-05-15 01:31:49
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On 2009-05-15 01:31:49, WhyBe wrote:
On 2009-05-14 20:42:23, Boinng wrote:
MMS, certain Bluetooth functions, video recording, you know the list
But they're simply bolt-on features that some competitors have already, and others are adding as we speak. None of them are unique to Windows Mobile or beyond the capabilities of any other OS going forward.
We're saying the same thing but on opposite sides of the fence
I think what separates phones now is how well it works and how well it brings all of it's features together (user-experience). Hardware superiority can only exist for a few months until some better technology comes along. But, a great user-experience and ecosystem isn't going to be surpassed by a phone that has a 25MP camera with 2GB RAM, a QuadCore Snapdragon and a crappy user-experience.
I think the upcoming WM OS'es will be great IMO. Especially WM7. The Tell Me technology seems cool.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2009-05-15 01:17 ]
Yes, especially when Windows 7 seems to be really good!
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Posted: 2009-05-15 02:37:15
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I'm thinking WM6.5 will be the last of the dinosaurs...
Now if
could just survive long enough to produce a phone that could run WM7
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Posted: 2009-05-15 02:40:09
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On 2009-05-14 17:06:00, Boinng wrote:
So, it's a dated and irrelevant argument for a failed platform. The smartphone market is the fastest growing segment of the whole mobile industry, everyone (including SE) is desperately trying to increase their share of it using one or more operating systems, and yet you'd argue that of all the smartphone OS's, the one with the declining market share is the most "advanced", and the fact that only a small minority of its users even know how to use it to the full is proof of that? I don't think so. That doesn't quite smell right, does it?
The proliferation and success of application stores on other platforms (including Blackberry and Android) is proof that given the right tools, most users will happily find new ways of using their smartphones and extend their functionality to the max. It's only in the unhappy world of Windows Mobile that these smartphone features are seen as some kind of cult practice for the "advanced" minority.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-14 16:07 ]
Failed platform? WM?
You made me laugh again.
I agree - smartphones market develops great.
But you don't really seem to get my point.
As for now - just look what apps are loaded the most, from app stores, and you'll see what I mean. What unhappy world of WM?
Man you are living on another planet.
Just read some statistics regarding WM mobile apps market.
P.S. Even recently simple research showed that as WM tends to inspire advanced functionality, products like iPhone rather inspire fun and play.
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Posted: 2009-05-15 02:44:58
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Doministry, you just keep repeating the phrase "advanced functionality" if it makes you happy. Let me know when you've figured out what you actually mean by that, and which "advanced functionality" you use on a regular basis...
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Posted: 2009-05-15 11:32:54
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On 2009-05-15 11:32:54, Boinng wrote:
Doministry, you just keep repeating the phrase "advanced functionality" if it makes you happy. Let me know when you've figured out what you actually mean by that, and which "advanced functionality" you use on a regular basis...
You really have no clue?
Man, you start to be funny big time.
Just to name FEW things, quickly out of my head:
full html email with html reply ability
zip/unziping files
advanced taking photo configuration
professional photo/picture editing
professional, full office support
flash support on browser
many browsers available
advanced files management
video recording 30fps
advanced bluetooth settings
deep device configuration abilities
extremely configurable calendars
ability to go deep in the system, modifying files
huge amount of available UIs
tweakability
multitasking and task management.
Other users can add another hundreds of aspects.
Boinng, sorry, I slowly start to see you have no clue what you talk about.....
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-05-15 11:14 ]
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Posted: 2009-05-15 12:04:44
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Doministry, you're unravelling. There's not a single thing in that list which isn't available on other platforms in some form or another, and several things there which are massively overstated - even your very first example is rubbish. WM does
not support full HTML email with all the proper formatting, whereas ironically your dreaded foe the iPhone
does.
"Advanced photo configuration" - pathetic, and not a function of WM at all, just something that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer regardless of the OS.
"Professional photo/picture editing" - clearly the words of someone who's never seen the many genuinely impressive photo apps available on other platforms.
"advanced files management, deep device configuration abilities, ability to go deep in the system, modifying files, tweakability" - you're aware that each of those is basically the same point, desperately repeated five times? People defending WM always try and push "tweakability" as if its a unique feature of the OS, but of course there are people out there busilly tweaking every OS, with software (and jailbreaking) anything's possible. The only real difference is that in WM this kind of tweaking is a necessity for far more users, so it's a much higher profile activity.
"zip/unzipping files, professional full office support" - again, you need to realise the difference between an OS and its applications. These are not unique to WM.
"video recording 30fps" - another manufacturer, not OS-dependent feature available on many S60 and other phones - nothing to do with Windows Mobile as an OS (in fact the vast majority of WM phones have pretty terrible video recording).
Now if you'd said "the most fully integrated Exchange support available in a mobile OS" I'd have given you a couple of points, but as you've little understanding of your own OS, let alone any others, you actually missed that one.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-15 12:10 ]
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Posted: 2009-05-15 12:33:10
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On 2009-05-15 12:33:10, Boinng wrote:
Doministry, you're unravelling. There's not a single thing in that list which isn't available on other platforms in some form or another, and several things there which are massively overstated - even your very first example is rubbish. WM does
not support full HTML email with all the proper formatting, whereas ironically your dreaded foe the iPhone
does.
"Advanced photo configuration" - pathetic, and not a function of WM at all, just something that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer regardless of the OS.
"Professional photo/picture editing" - clearly the words of someone who's never seen the many genuinely impressive photo apps available on other platforms.
"advanced files management, deep device configuration abilities, ability to go deep in the system, modifying files, tweakability" - you're aware that each of those is basically the same point, desperately repeated five times? People defending WM always try and push "tweakability" as if its a unique feature of the OS, but of course there are people out there busilly tweaking every OS, with software (and jailbreaking) anything's possible. The only real difference is that in WM this kind of tweaking is a necessity for far more users, so it's a much higher profile activity.
"zip/unzipping files, professional full office support" - again, you need to realise the difference between an OS and its applications. These are not unique to WM.
"video recording 30fps" - another manufacturer, not OS-dependent feature available on many S60 and other phones - nothing to do with Windows Mobile as an OS (in fact the vast majority of WM phones have pretty terrible video recording).
Now if you'd said "the most fully integrated Exchange support available in a mobile OS" I'd have given you a couple of points, but as you've little understanding of your own OS, let alone any others, you actually missed that one.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-15 12:10 ]
Boinng, you again miss the point.
My post which you refer to, was about a GENERAL term of "advanced" functionality of a device, since you were trying to state that there's no such.
I was not implying that those above things refer ONLY to WM - I'd have to be an idiot to state that, especially when I was using other platform for a loong time before I was kinda pressed to switch and choosed WM.
BTW you cautiously did not refer to some other features I mentioned, but it does not matter....
And - WM tweakability is not "necessity" - it's POSSIBILITY, which is just used by users. Unmatched on other platforms.. That's the human nature - if we can, we will do.... Saying "other platforms are tweaked too" is almost empty word... Means nothing really.
I could say opposite: an argument I've heard so many times from Mac/Apple users: "we don't tweak 'cos all is fine and ready, I don't care my company won't let me...."
I use in "advanced" way WM device without any registry tweak and don't feel any necessity to do it.
I think Boinng you - as you claim iPhone user? - have just fun to make an effort to find any reason why WM is "so baaad..." and fcuk what people say about it......
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Posted: 2009-05-15 14:57:32
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Doministry, repeatedly in this thread you've used the phrase "advanced functionality" as a selling point for WM. My reply at the top of this page was specifically in reference to your comment that:
P.S. Even recently simple research showed that as WM tends to inspire advanced functionality, products like iPhone rather inspire fun and play.
Earlier you stated outright -
WM offers the most advanced functionality available on smartphones
Yet when I ask you what "advanced functionality" means, you reel of a comical list of "advanced" and "professional" features that are either common to many phones or platforms, have nothing to do with WM, or are just plain daft. Apparently now it was just a "general" list and you weren't talking about WM anyway honest, so erm.. what was your point?
Why drone on about "advanced functionality" in WM if you accept that same functionality is present on other platforms? Can it still be called "advanced" if its equalled or bettered elsewhere?
I haven't "claimed" to be an iPhone user, you know I'm an iPhone user. I'm also a WM user, and still own and use a WM device even now.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-15 14:22 ]
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