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so funny reading comments from iphone owners. its human nature to defend what you've bought, but get over it, iphone is good design but beauty is only skin deep. LG have taken the design but if you read the specs actually have produced a much higher specd device.
iphone is old now and needs to have a price reduction if its going to attract users. imo..
Just taken from a post on the LG Arena article on Esato
In replies to your earlier post:
- No matter how many apps you add to your I phone, you cannot give it a 5 MP camera. Also, I couldnt upgrade my old phone to an LG Arena by using apps. Software does not upgrade a phone in any way whatsoever, it just gives it more games and software. There is no Irony in upgrading my *HARDWARE* every 18 months, when apps cannot in anyway do this.
- I will be ordering a 32 GB card as soon as it drops to Ģ50. 32 GB + 8 GB onboard = 40 GB.
- I put some music on my LG Arena, and no, the Dolby Mobile feature is far far far from a marketting gimmick, unlike Apples claim to being revolutionary. The music on my LG Arena sounds amazing, so much better then any handset from SE, including Walkman phones that my friends and family use.
- A better hardware feature is never a gimmick, it is a fact that the device is better then another which lacks that hardware, and basing my claims purely on the hardware, and NOT on the software, the Apple I Phone is not a good phone compared to the LG Arena, HTC Touch range, Samsung Omnia, SE Xperia .... the list of superior and similarly priced handsets over the I Phone can go on and on and on.
- I have every reason to attack the I Phone for being so expensive and only having a 2 MP camera.
- Of course the I Phone is usefull, but so is every other handset on the market, some are even more useful then the I Phone.
- The I Phone is not anymore relevant then any other device. This is just an opinion of its fans like you, the person who started this thread, and other I Phone fans.
The I Phone is not even a dominant phone:
LG sold 100 million mobile phones during 2008 while 13,5 million iPhones were sold during the same period.
For the record:
- Nokia 470 million units sold in 2008
- Samsung 200 million
- Motorola 99.9 million
- Sony Ericsson - 96.6 million
iPhone has less than 1.5% of the total market. I can't see where iPhones dominates among these figures?
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Get over it. The I Phone is crap and a lot worse then you like to believe it is. It is not relevant, or dominant, and very few people in the mobile market actually want to have one.
Also, the LG Arena picked up over 1 Million pre orders weeks before it was released, and who knows how many more have been pre ordered by now? I wouldnt be surprised to see such a great handset outsell the I Phones figures very soon, but of course, a lot of people will instead be waiting to buy a Samsung Tocco Ulra or Omnia HD instead. Even so, I expect these models to greatly outsell the I Phones figures, just wait and see.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-03-31 16:55 ]
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Posted: 2009-03-31 17:36:28
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What are you folks going on about? Series 60 is the best thing out there. Tonnes of apps available for it and you dont need an app store to get them
and the phones can do most of the things you can do on a pc. So what if it is not flashy? At least I can browse websites using three browsers and chat with my buddies - all simultaneusly. If you say why someone would want to do that, all I can say is, I don't know about others, but this is about me and this is what I do.
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That was what an S60 fan (like me
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Posted: 2009-03-31 17:53:41
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I like S60 phones too.
This is my very first LG phone, although I could just as easilly say:
'I will never touch an Apple device with a one mile rod',
And right there, we have the reason why so many people dont, and actually why so many people do want the I Phone.
(Wow! it's made by Apple, buy buy BUY!!!
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Eww, it's made by Apple, dont touch).
Although the full reasons go far deeper then that and into the specification level, as explained in plenty of detail already.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-03-31 17:03 ]
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Posted: 2009-03-31 18:00:17
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Ah an i phone debate thread! I love these. Anyway i agree with bhavv. That thing IS shite. Here it costs 600 without a contract. Now what should i do go for the X1 which is only 10 euros more which is way better or even the samsung INNOV8T for 20 euros more. In otherwords over priced over hyped and over used. That thing should die but no people like you find it a wonder. Damn apple and their poison apples.
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Posted: 2009-03-31 18:25:16
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Re: "Why is the Iphone More Relevant Than Others"
It isn't.
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Posted: 2009-03-31 18:26:43
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On 2009-03-31 17:36:28, Bhavv wrote:
so funny reading comments from iphone owners. its human nature to defend what you've bought, but get over it, iphone is good design but beauty is only skin deep. LG have taken the design but if you read the specs actually have produced a much higher specd device.
iphone is old now and needs to have a price reduction if its going to attract users. imo..
Just taken from a post on the LG Arena article on Esato
Random person is critical of iphone shock!
Strange that you didn't choose to quote some of the other posts. Like the very first..
Some people accuse the iPhone of being all looks and fluff but no depth, well this is just such a phone. It reeks iPhone from the chrome bezel to the icons and 'jumping' keyboard letters but without the quality of design that makes the iPhone UI such an intelligent solution and without the App Store which obliterates every other OS platform ATM.
Good attempt, but must try harder LG - sorry.
Just a thought for you - do you think the LG Arena would exist at all if the "irrelevant" iPhone hadn't come along two years ago?
In replies to your earlier post:
- No matter how many apps you add to your I phone, you cannot give it a 5 MP camera. Also, I couldnt upgrade my old phone to an LG Arena by using apps. Software does not upgrade a phone in any way whatsoever, it just gives it more games and software. There is no Irony in upgrading my *HARDWARE* every 18 months, when apps cannot in anyway do this.
Again you completely underestimate and misunderstand the nature of apps, and decent manufacturer support. If you look at the original 2007 iPhone it didn't have apps at all - it was just as locked down and limited as your Arena. Then in 2008 it was gifted with Exchange support for its email, calendar, and contacts, suddenly making it a viable phone for Enterprise use, along with an Appstore which opened up the possibility of all kinds of extended functionality and turned it into a gaming device as well. The new 3G hardware may have added HSDPA and GPS, but every iPhone old and new got significantly more powerful that day.
In June this year a similar thing will happen - while Apple are busily releasing their inevitable new hardware for those looking to upgrade (and yes I expect it will feature a better camera with video recording) I and every other existing iPhone user will get support for even more complex and powerful apps such as TomTom, along with better Bluetooth and a host of UI improvements. I'll be halfway through my contract in June, Apple owe me nothing, but I'll nevertheless get a significantly more functional and capable phone gifted to me for free, however you choose to dismiss that.
I will be ordering a 32 GB card as soon as it drops to Ģ50. 32 GB + 8 GB onboard = 40 GB.
Yeah. Only 32GB Micro SD cards aren't even on the market yet, let alone dropping to Ģ50, are they?
- I put some music on my LG Arena, and no, the Dolby Mobile feature is far far far from a marketting gimmick, unlike Apples claim to being revolutionary. The music on my LG Arena sounds amazing, so much better then any handset from SE, including Walkman phones that my friends and family use. A better hardware feature is never a gimmick, it is a fact that the device is better then another which lacks that hardware.
Except that Dolby Mobile isn't actually hardware. It's audio processing software which phone makers can add to their hardware. An "app", if you will. You can read about it here -
http://www.dolby.com/professional/mobile/mobile-overview.html
What were you saying about software not upgrading a phone?
- I have every reason to attack the I Phone for being so expensive and only having a 2 MP camera.
You have no reason to attack the iPhone, apart from the apparent personal bitterness you feel toward it for whatever reason. A phone's price isn't set by the pixellage of its camera, it's set (like that of any other product) by the market, and the value potential buyers place upon it.
- Of course the I Phone is usefull, but so is every other handset on the market, some are even more useful then the I Phone.
Very few. The point about the iPhone is it's virtually limitless. That's theoretically true of any smartphone (as opposed to a feature phone like the Arena) but the iPhone currently has the best app and developer support by miles.
- The I Phone is not anymore relevant then any other device. This is just an opinion of its fans like you, the person who started this thread, and other I Phone fans.
Yeah, it's just me that think it's relevant, and the several million other users, and most of the international media and technology commentators, and staff and visitors to Engadget who voted it the best gadget and best smartphone in their reader and editor awards last week, and the countless other users, developers, and admirers of the phone around the world. But obviously none of those opinions count because they all belong to "fans" of the iPhone and, crucially, don't agree with your own personal view. Rendering them irrelevant.
The I Phone is not even a dominant phone:
Name a single high-end phone that sold anything like 13m units during 2008, apart from the iPhone. You can't. All you can do is parrot total sales figures for huge brands like Nokia and LG, whose sales include millions of basic handsets across multiple ranges to the developing world and elsewhere.
How many Viewty's did LG sell last year? 13m? Don't think so.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-03-31 17:51 ]
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Posted: 2009-03-31 18:50:56
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I wasn't an iPhone or Apple fan, but after getting an iPhone 3G and used for 2 months all i can say is I LOVE IT, i had many many SE phones and a N95 in the past but none of then gave the joy that iPhone did.
The Bluetooh and the camera become the less important things when you have so much to play with
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Posted: 2009-03-31 20:06:08
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Exactly i find the i phone to be an over priced toy. Bluetooth is a basic must in todays world. As well as camera. The i-phone takes 2 very important things in a phone and makes em gimmicks.
How some people can take a phone like that seriously i have no idea. Its just an ipod with a phone. Even i could have thought of that and made millions. Its too over hyped and a crap phone. While yes not one single model sells more then this one single company can sell 5x more then this cause you know what? There is a thing called diversity and a phone for all tastes and the i-phone is a phone where it tries to be all in 1 and fails. Miserably.
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Posted: 2009-03-31 20:35:16
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Just a thought for you - do you think the LG Arena would exist at all if the "irrelevant" iPhone hadn't come along two years ago?
Who knows? Im not phychic, it very well could have.
Was the I phone the first touch screen UI phone on the market? No. So, would the I Phone had ever come along if no one had ever made a touch screen device before it? Probably not.
Again you completely underestimate and misunderstand the nature of apps, and decent manufacturer support. If you look at the original 2007 iPhone it didn't have apps at all - it was just as locked down and limited as your Arena.
Again, you underestimate being able to integrate a decent camera, bluetooth, copy + paste, MMS, removable batteries and expandable memory into a phone. All of these are more important then Apps. You also fail to realise that the Arena has only been released for 5 days!!! In 6 months time, there will be apps available for it. Right now, I cant think of anything that I need to add to the phone.
I and every other existing iPhone user will get support for even more complex and powerful apps such as TomTom, along with better Bluetooth and a host of UI improvements.
Good for you. I dont drive and dont need tom tom. None of SE phones ever needed UI improvements and were perfectly fine to use. If I got a phone that couldnt properly use bluetooth for connecting to another device and sending files, I would send it back and get something else.
Yeah. Only 32GB Micro SD cards aren't even on the market yet, let alone dropping to Ģ50, are they?
Ooops, I were looking at the wrong type of memory card prior to getting my phone, never mind, I'll just get myself a 16 GB and still have 24 GB total
Except that Dolby Mobile isn't actually hardware. It's audio processing software which phone makers can add to their hardware. An "app", if you will. You can read about it here -
Oh really?
Dolby Mobile is a suite of integrated audio technologies that elevates the mobile entertainment experience.....
Dolby Mobile can be incorporated into a wide range of multimedia and dedicated audio mobile integrated circuits (ICs)
So you're going to use a software app to integrate Dolby Mobile support into the IC of your I phone? Wow!!!, like, care to explain how?
You have no reason to attack the iPhone, apart from the apparent personal bitterness you feel toward it for whatever reason. A phone's price isn't set by the pixellage of its camera, it's set (like that of any other product) by the market, and the value potential buyers place upon it.
I believe in free speech, and all of apples products are overpriced junk.
Name a single high-end phone that sold anything like 13m units during 2008, apart from the iPhone. You can't. All you can do is parrot total sales figures for huge brands like Nokia and LG, whose sales include millions of basic handsets across multiple ranges to the developing world and elsewhere.
How many Viewty's did LG sell last year? 13m? Don't think so.
How many were sold in America? Maybe 50 - 75% of those 13m ???
America has only just gotten its first 8 MP camera phone released by Samsung, prior to the I Phone, the most popular phone there was the Motorolla Razr.
When comparing Global sales figures, it is more accurate if you subtract and ignore sales in America, because the mobile phone market there is far far far behind Europe and Asia.
Heres an article on the poor UK sales:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2008/01/21/iPhone-UK-Sales-Figures-In-Below-Expectations/p1
According to the pink paper, 190,000 units have been sold in the two months since the uber-handset went on sale on 9 November, 5 per cent down on the 200,000 units expected.
Wheras the N95 has sold over 1 Million units in the UK, and I have no doubt that the LG Arena will easilly eclipse the I Phones poor sales here as well.
I call all of your misinformed information on the I Phone out as plain, obvious fanboyism.
[ This Message was edited by: Bhavv on 2009-03-31 19:47 ]
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Posted: 2009-03-31 20:35:42
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The iPhone wasnīt about īnumberī of features but the implementation of these features with the best UI in the market plus the introduction of multi-touch (which is the best thing out there for viewing files of any form).
HOWEVER, today the developing community around the iphone grew so much it can actually compete and even win in featurexfeature comparions.
Bhavv,
Letīs play a game.
For every feature you think your mediaphone LG Arena has that the iphone doesnīt, I will tell you 3 things my smartphone iphone3G+jailbreak (and OS3) can do that your LG Arena canīt.
So, shall we?
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Posted: 2009-04-01 00:10:13
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