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Maybe their just vapour trails from the aviation fuel used in planes. Just like what comes out the exhaust pipe of a car.

Maybe they stay because there's more consistant wind up there (as in the whole thing will move so will not bend or distort). Remember that clouds consist of.. hmm... vapour!


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Posted: 2009-11-02 21:48:49
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other question... plane sprayed aerosol and I can see nice, long "cloud", 30 minutes later this "cloud" is still in place where it was 30 minutes earlier... errr... shouldn't this fall down and kill me? or maybe it's remote control "cloud"?
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Posted: 2009-11-02 22:02:07
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Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.
Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.
Sources tell us that Bar-Joseph Moshe made no threat against the President or the White House. He did not mention any bomb or attack. He then proceeded to inform the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he noticed men in suits in front of his house and feared that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings into his car and, him being a dual Israeli citizen, tried to reach the Israeli consulate located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. The FBI and the bomb squad prevented him from reaching it. Who is this man? His profile on biomedexperts.com says he is a plant disease expert with many publications on his name involving the genetic manipulation of virii. Photographic evidence that Moshe is who he says he is can be found here.
Joseph Moshe was soon after his arrest sent or let go to Israel. Nothing has been heard from him since. The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain or arrest him. Mounted on top of a large black vehicle used in his arrest was a microwave weapon that possibly damaged the electronics in Moshe’s car as well as any communication devices he had which might have been used to contact the media or others who could help him.
Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training. Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest.
Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.
Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries. Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, #HYPERLINK
"http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:53103::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:10001,76322"which all died in days. The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted. This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three. Baxter admitted a “mistake”. Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed. It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.
Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.
Where’s the meat? Well – Baxter is now being sued for the deliberate, repeated contamination of vaccines with biological weapons designed – by them – to mass-murder people. Here is the complaint (PDF). By some kook nutcase? Not likely – Jane Burgermeister is an experienced, respected journalist. She is not the only one suing Baxter for planning and executing a plan for global genocide: Others are filing complaints as well. Read a well-researched complaint here (PDF).
Qui bono? We think it may be profit-motivated or even sheer incompetence, but for the conspiracy-minded: The latter complaint alludes to intentional “culling of the herd”. Have you heard of the Georgia Guidestones? An enormous monument loaded with Masonic symbolism costing millions of dollars, it has been erected by unknown, powerful elites (multimillionaires with the clout to erect monuments wherever they please, obviously) around 30 years ago. It gives an “alternative ten commandments”, of which the first is the extermination of six and a half billion people from the face of the Earth. Half a billion will remain. This is the number of people the planet can sustain indefinitely, so that the descendents of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers can live in peace and affluence indefinitely. Slaves are needed to produce that luxury, but 500 million will do just fine. But how does one go about killing off most of the world?
“Vaccinating” the planet with a bioweapon with near-100% mortality would do the trick. Baxter would provide both the bioweapon as well as the vaccine against it to “civilized” Western peoples. Result: We can plunder Africa, we have no more competition from SE Asia, the oil is for our taking and only Western and perhaps Chinese sheeple remain.
Rockefeller said this in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order.” PNAC said something similar right before 9/11.

Source: http://www.unfictional.com/jo[....]pon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood



Needs something else to fall down and “kill” you!
What will need?

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Posted: 2009-11-03 01:14:30
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"Epidemic of swine flu or ordinary? Ukrainian authorities themselves do not know"
read more here: http://tinyurl.com/yf6bgjx

nothing unusual is happening on Ukraine. people are afraid because of mass hysteria sponsored by media, government and "authorities"


I know this case, 21 people died but key word is "homeless". is this strange that people with weak immune system (malnutrition, alcohol) are dying? not for me and of course it's not fair to kill people to make profits

what else I can say, I don't care about Baxter, deadly aerosols and weird theories. sooner or later I will die (we all will) no matter of what. I have one life, I'm happy fully healthy person and my mind won't be a slave of ridiculous theories and mass hysteria because both aren't real problems in my life and life of most people. they can become in future? maybe yes, maybe not - who cares? important are things which are happening right now, today, tomorrow. thinking about the future is great thing but not in the context of own unnatural death - it's just sick my attitude is "don't believe in everything"
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Posted: 2009-11-03 13:47:36
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You say:



But after you claim:



There’s something wrong in your point!

This time Baxter has tested the vaccine on homeless polish people, if next time they experiment on fully healthy people like you? Without your consent obviously.
Maybe you could answer again “i don’t care”.
Or maybe:



And considering you say:



You haven’t answered to my question yet:



Remember that they are happening RIGHT NOW…yesterday…tomorrow….

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Posted: 2009-11-03 15:00:31
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nothing is wrong it's my private opinion, it doesn't mean that I have to be a suicide bomber in front of Baxter HQ in the name of people used by large corporations. every country have departments responsible for prosecuting this type of accidents, let them carry out their duties. it's not my job


as I wrote earlier it's not my job to prevent such situations. I can take care of myself as I can, however I pay taxes and requires from my country and government to protect me against "big, fat and dirty hands". can I fully trust my government? no, I guess, but lack of trust cannot be fully and obsessive


add these two sentences and you have one: life is too short to worry about things which are in science-fiction stage


nothing, plane trails and nothing else


every day I have to eat chemicals in food and drinks, every day I have to wear clothes with chemicals, every day I have to inhale chemicals. it's hard to accept this facts but it's nothing else as the cost of living in the civilized and industrialised society. whole society won't change itself because some people are feeling discomfort
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Posted: 2009-11-04 14:19:20
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Do you believe they worry about you or about their money?



In fact they allow the opposite, with your taxes. But it’s hard for you to see the facts.



You don’t know but you are one of the protagonist of this science-fiction.





A foreseen answer looking above, that clearly explains that you believe to be in a big, “clean” and “good” world that will “protect” you.
Free to believe in dream-fiction


Someone else think different…


The DAILY MAIL - November 3, 2009

Watching the skies for an H1N1 connection

Former Hensonville teacher among those who believe disease is linked to the ‘chemtrail’ phenomenon

Source: http://www.thedailymail.net/a[....]/doc4aefcb78893f5777991590.txt


Flashback: UK newspaper reports on plan to chip people under swine flu jab pretext in 1989



The UK newspaper "The Sun" carried a prophetic report on 1. August 1989 with the headline "Big Brother's Coming" outlining secret government plans to implant microchips, also under the pretext of a swine flu pandemic, into every person in order to obtain total control of populations.

The report could have been written today as governments prepare to implement mass "swine flu" vaccinations with an untested and toxic jab and many sources say there will be a nanochip in the syringes to be issued by governments.

Source:http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1572%3Aflashback-uk-newspaper-reports-on-plan-to-chip-people-under-swine-flu-jab-pretext-in-1989&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en


Woman Disabled by Flu Shot Reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MIm1mB7GM

WASHINGTON, D.C. - An Ashburn, Virginia woman is in the fight of her life after suffering a very rare side effect to the seasonal flu shot.
The vast majority of doctors say flu shots are safe. In this case, the FDA says they found nothing wrong with this particular batch, but sometimes there are complications.
That's apparently what happened to Desiree Jennings, and now her life will never be the same.
At 26 years old, Desiree Jennings was the picture of health. She's a Washington Redskins cheerleader and an avid runner. Her life changed forever on August 23 when she says she got a seasonal flu shot at a local grocery store.
"I was training for a half marathon then," said Jennings, crying. "It just all went so fast."
Ten days after receiving the shot, she came down with the flu. After that, her health spiraled downwards. She started passing out and had to be hospitalized twice.
"We went to an urgent care place and they wouldn't even let her get out of my truck because she was seizing in the back so bad, so they called an ambulance immediately," says her husband, Brendan Jennings.
Doctors at Fairfax Inova and Johns Hopkins diagnosed her with a rare neurological disorder called dystonia. They think it was caused by a severe reaction to the flu shot.
Desiree now has difficulty speaking, walking, and even eating. During an interview with FOX 5, she had several seizures. The effects are irreversible.
"The symptoms will get worse if I use my voice or walk when the brain signals are misfiring," says Jennings.
Desiree reported her health problems to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) thinking there might have been something wrong with her vaccine. We also contacted the FDA and we were told they found no problems with the particular lot of flu vaccines that Desiree received, and the agency has not received any other reports of adverse effects from this lot.
Health experts stress that overall, extreme side effects are rare.
"The flu shot is safe for the majority of the public, and as I said before, your heart goes out to someone that experiences this sort of thing-- thinking that they are doing something great for their wellness and their general health, but it does happen in extremely rare cases," says Rachel Lynch with Fairfax Inove Health System.
For Desiree, she just happened to be one of those rare cases.
"I just don't want this to happen to anyone else," says Jennings.
Desiree and her husband plan to visit the Mayo Clinic in Arizona in November. They're hoping to get more answers about this disease and how they live with it.
Desiree has received flu shots before in 2007 and 2008.

Source:http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/health/101309_woman_disabled_by_flu_shot_reaction_dystonia

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Posted: 2009-11-04 16:34:51
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hey, Perfect don't get me wrong but I think you have a little obsession about this conspiracy-theory or whatever people call it you're pushing this too far, you believe in governments killing civilians with airplanes and chemicals, I don't. your links are far from being the hard facts, they just are weak quality sensations to frighten people, once again - you believe, I don't

"But it’s hard for you to see the facts."
"Free to believe in dream-fiction"

what exactly makes you think that you and only you are right? you really don't want to hear other arguments, isn't? hey, it's not a problem for me, really I'm not trying to convince anybody to my opinions because my posts represents my personal point of view. in your posts I see that you're trying to reveal truth for the entire world - "open your eyes and see this cruel world". right now I see why we can't reach an agreement in this matter - you're trying to convince the man which cannot be convinced

cheers

BTW. in one thing we can agree, I guess. I'll never ever take flu vaccine, it's BS in my opinion
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Posted: 2009-11-04 18:03:38
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I didn’t want to get you angry matey!

We can’t have the same point of view, and i’v never been obsessed.
I only look and think why something is happening.
Like swine flu for example. Or like chemtrails.
I tell you one thing: i’m not me to be right, it’s right what a lot of people can see.
I like a lot to share informations, point of views , and to hear arguments from others.
But tell me: to my question “what are for you the chemtrails?” your argument was “nothing, plane trails and nothing else “?
What?
Nothing?
Is this an argument?
I’m not the Gospel, and i’v never tried to convince anyone.
The hard facts, as you call them, are way different from what you try to explain with a simple “i don’t believe in it”.
Wich are the true hard facts?
This:

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]3112500-2009113113000.250m.jpg

Or this:

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nas[....]=Europe_3_02.2009303.terra.1km

Or a lot of other satellitar photos in the same site.

But your point of view is “they are nothing, they are plane trails and nothing else”
Probably most of people don’t think the same.
If you want we can debate about what nothing means for you. But not about FACTS.
It’s very simple

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Posted: 2009-11-04 19:50:55
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no no! I'm not angry, my way of expressing emotions and linguistic habits are awful mix sorry. my opinion remains unchanged. New World Order, the world's elite, depopulation, for me as much real as God... I'm atheist
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Posted: 2009-11-04 21:47:13
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