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On 2010-09-21 21:14:25, Tsepz_GP wrote:
If Nokia made an Android it would be overpriced, have a slow ARM11 CPU, not enough RAM, and they would make an Android for each version, and not give any sort of OS update, but would be forever fixing bugs and inventing new ones at the same time.
It sounds more like you're describing SE to me. They release products which are slower and outdated than almost any other major player in the mobile industry.
At least Nokia work on firmware a couple of years down the line, but SE clearly give up after 6-8 months.
On 2010-09-22 02:38:44, phonecrzy wrote:
The best android camera phone is the HTC Desire HD with an 8MP and flash
Not really since its not actually available and we have very little proof that its camera is anyu good at the moment.
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Posted: 2010-09-22 15:43:40
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On 2010-09-18 21:48:41, etaab wrote:
If it were me id still go for the Samsung Galaxy S, its just the best all round Android handset with a nice camera. From what i can tell Android has no killer specification cameras in any phone it comes installed on. Id buy one if Android was my first choice of os.
I had the galaxy s and the camera is poor , the camera on the desire is better and thats saying something.
I have ordered the htc desire hd it has a bigger sensor that the standard desire heres hoping the pics are better.
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Posted: 2010-09-22 17:04:29
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Atleast SE give great hardware and fix it, if im not mistaken many Satio owners are happy now with the latest FW, so are Vivaz users, and they are able to use apps such as SPB Shell, Opera Mobile, Gravity etc...without worrying about RAM. Try those on an N97 at the same time and you come dangerously close to apps closing if youre lucky as by then most hit the "Out of memory" error.
Nokia support is long due to re: fixing bugs and throwing in new ones, every Nokia update is bitter-sweet, my 5800 at v21 had excellent Radio RDS and an awful built-in web browser, fast forward to V51, RDS doesnt work, web browser is faster, has kinetic scrolling, BUT is unstable, it just never ends with them.
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Posted: 2010-09-22 18:04:08
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@ strephon - very brave of you to order a phone and not know how good the camera is, if photos mean as much to you as they do to me !
Ive noticed many people say the Galaxy S has a poor camera, yet i think that might be down to people not knowing how to use the touch focus all that well since the Galaxy S has no shutter key. Anyway, the Galaxy S isnt about the camera (like the Satio is for example) so its not really an issue unless you buy it for the camera.
@ Tsepz_GP - at least SE give us great hardware then fix it ? its not that great if they give it then have to fix it after you've bought it !
Joking aside, i think you've just been unlucky with your Nokia handsets, either that or its the region you live in. Here in the UK Nokia is known for having much more reliable handsets than SE. Ive never had a problem with a Nokia phones hardware or software apart from a couple of minor bugs here and there. Not once would i describe any of them as unusable - and ive owned lots !
You're right about the N97 though, it was released with a poor amount of RAM, but those issues were fixed with a firmware update later in 2009 if you may or may not remember.
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Posted: 2010-09-22 20:05:58
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Did i say any of my Nokias were unuseable?
Ive had quite a few myself, from s30,s40 and s60.
No, N97 ram issue was NEVER fixed, its a mix of poor hardware and resource hungry software, us 5800 users were better off and as a result MANY N97 users either went back to a 5800,tried a Mini then got a Nexus One or 3GS or got a Omnia HD OR a Vivaz. Ive watched it happen on multiple forums. HoFo had a HUGE N97 owners club, by January2010 majority had simply given up.
I think Nokia and SE have been guilty of both poor hw and sw, but SE atleast fixed the hw and are now trying with the sw, on the other hand Nokia seem not to, there was a bit of hope with the N900 but even that was short lived. Anyway we're way OT.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2010-09-22 19:42 ]
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Posted: 2010-09-22 20:38:15
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OK i'll say one last thing on the subject: i agree, the N97 should have been given more RAM. But, the problem was fixed with a firmware update - more free RAM on boot-up. Sure, not entirely to the point it never occured again, but it was improved dramatically.
I still dont think it would have ruined my experience of the phone though. The last time i had an out of memory error was 2006 with my N93, in which i really had to push the phone to a limit i wouldnt normally reach without doing so deliberately.
Actually come to think of it, it has happened once with my Satio also, but only once in a year of owning it.
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Posted: 2010-09-22 21:42:55
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I have had many phones through the years looking for a good camera and now apps as well hopefully the desire hd does the trick!
On 2010-09-22 20:05:58, etaab wrote:
@ strephon - very brave of you to order a phone and not know how good the camera is, if photos mean as much to you as they do to me !
Ive noticed many people say the Galaxy S has a poor camera, yet i think that might be down to people not knowing how to use the touch focus all that well since the Galaxy S has no shutter key. Anyway, the Galaxy S isnt about the camera (like the Satio is for example) so its not really an issue unless you buy it for the camera.
@ Tsepz_GP - at least SE give us great hardware then fix it ? its not that great if they give it then have to fix it after you've bought it !
Joking aside, i think you've just been unlucky with your Nokia handsets, either that or its the region you live in. Here in the UK Nokia is known for having much more reliable handsets than SE. Ive never had a problem with a Nokia phones hardware or software apart from a couple of minor bugs here and there. Not once would i describe any of them as unusable - and ive owned lots !
You're right about the N97 though, it was released with a poor amount of RAM, but those issues were fixed with a firmware update later in 2009 if you may or may not remember.
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Posted: 2010-09-23 11:42:59
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I hope so too. Im getting bored of phones not being perfect. Maybe not perfect, but since my N95 8GB theres not been a single phones released that does everything i want or need like it did.
For example, Android, great as it is, theres no real killer quality cameras in any of the phones it comes with.
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Posted: 2010-09-23 15:21:14
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On 2010-09-23 15:21:14, etaab wrote:
I hope so too. Im getting bored of phones not being perfect. Maybe not perfect, but since my N95 8GB theres not been a single phones released that does everything i want or need like it did.
For example, Android, great as it is, theres no real killer quality cameras in any of the phones it comes with.
I too loved my N95..... but why have you not yet looked at the N86? It does everything (for me) which my N95 did... and although widely debated, i still believe it is the best camera phone of all I have ever owned (C905a, aino, droid X, Incredible and Facinate included).. unless you are seeking android (which in all honesty is not a big deal to me) IMO, nokia/carl zeiss are yet to beat.
from my koi pond... with my favorite 3 phones.
Galaxy S (facinate) v2.1
C905a vCE6.5
N86 v30.009
.... All three phones were set to thier default/auto mode with flash forced.... and held at the same distance from the subject... the rest was up to the phone
The following images were all taken using either night or slow shutter mode....
GalaxyS
C905a
N86
Notice how tight and controlled the street lamps are on the nokia.... the Sony although slightly better than the Samsung still has a tad of a star effect where as the Galaxy S is SO POOR it has no business even having a night shot mode
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Posted: 2010-09-24 17:19:01
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I'd say this one wins the prize...
14 megapixels
with 3x optical zoom, HD video recording and a tidy xenon flash.
I WANT!!!
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2010-09-24 17:06 ]
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Posted: 2010-09-24 18:06:28
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