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I support this thread only with regards to the iphone, i've been asking myself the same question. To think, only the 4th gen iphone acquired multitasking capabilities and yet they are called smart phones...
Btw, i'm happy with my symbian device but the plain-pain-boring-un ergonomical UI is freaken getting to me, makes me wish it was more like the iOS
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Posted: 2010-11-11 01:54:01
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On 2010-11-10 22:39:02, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Stick to dumbphones then
. What makes smartphones smart is that they are like mini PCs, they are PDAs with a phone functionality.
Not so long ago, a PDA was much more limited. Actually, when Sony Ericsson K700 and W800 came on the market, many people said it was like a PDA because it had all the basic PDA functions; PIM manager, applications and games, could be synchronized with Outlook and so on. Yes, SE's feature phones does have PDA functionality in my opinion, when looking at what other PDA's can do.
I think Smartphones and PocketPCs is something different than a PDA.
On 2010-11-10 22:44:15, jojosiscar wrote:
As I said, I won the Elm and I can read simple text file format e-nooks. But for my needs, I need the functionality to touch a footnote in reading an e-book and and then description will just pop-out which my Elm cannot do. I use a couple of readers in my smart phone which I cannot load into my Elm. Also I need the bigger screen in order to read the books much more comfortably.
Not sure what you mean about the footnote, or why it is that important to you. Obviously SE feature phones (except the Aino) doesn't have touch-support, but I'm sure the footnote thingy could be implemented some other way. For example by pressing the 1 key for popping up the description you need.
I've actually made a little eBook for SE feature phones with J2ME, just to see if I could. Nothing of use to international users though, since it's a collection of 9 Christmas stories in danish only. But you can see the functionality here:
http://www.getjar.com/mobile/45180/Julehistorier
Adding some kind of word-explanation (if that's what you mean by footnote) wouldn't be much of a problem.
Just to show that eBooks are possible on SE's feature phones (and any other non smartphone for that matter), but sure, you might want a bigger screen for it.
On 2010-11-10 22:47:13, Tsepz_GP wrote:
AFAIK the reason why you cant send the Midi from your Vivaz is due to DRM protection, the OS can do it but they have set it so that it doesnt allow certain files to be sent, get X-Plore, it will allow you to send.
...and that is simply not smart, that I special software for my smartphone in order to do something that any SE feature phone can do out of the box. Not smart! Stupid! And why?? It makes no sense.
Sony Ericsson feature phones are smart! Smartphones are bloddy stupid.
On 2010-11-10 22:55:20, jojosiscar wrote:
One more thing that I cannot do with my Elm is taking down lengthy notes. I do use pocket word to take down lengthy notes. I may get a java app for note taking in the Elm to type down short notes using the predictive text input but it is just much faster doing it on pocket word with all the formatting functionality and using the T9 predictive text input with the virtual qwerty keyboard.
I remember trying out a text-editor for my W760 a few years back. Actually I managed to do the following with my W760:
1) Connect to a FTP site and download a PHP file from my site
2) Open the PHP file in a text-editor and correct something in it
3) Upload the PHP file to the FTP server again.
That way I actually used a plain feature phone to correct a website. I bet a lot of people didn't think that was possible.
Fact is, that feature phones can do a lot with plain J2ME apps. But developers have left the platform because it's too restricted unless they spend $500 each year to sign the apps you develop. This is what has doomed J2ME, and it's too late now. It's the same thing that will kill Symbian. There's no doubt Android will rule the world. I just hope there'll be Android devices on the market soon that are just as smart as SE's feature phones...
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Posted: 2010-11-11 08:03:49
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Smartphones are smarter than SE featurephones, get over it. Just because a smartphone doesn't do what you want doesn't make it stupid, we've proven that smartphones provide more depth and freedom to their users, applications are part of their appeal.
If you dont like that then throw your Vivaz against the wall and stick to your dumbphones.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 09:32:28
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@mar lou
I am just citing footnotes as an example. I attached a screen shot of a Bible reader that I am using. I loaded a couple of Java based Bible reader on my elm but the functionality to toggle between two or three screens, click a reference and then go directly to it then toggle back to the previous screen or reference is just much more easier on a Smartphone than on the Elm or any feature phone for that matter. I can highlight texts and assign different colors to it. I can bookmark verses that I have gone through, I can go on and on. These things are just not present in the Java versions of the reader. I purchased the software content from Olivetree.com and their Java version is just very limited in nature.
Java bible reader
There is already a Java based Mobipocket reader but it did not go out of beta as far as I know. I tried this before in my K800i.
Mobireader
For notes taking, I can use the built in notes of the feature phone but I need the formatting functionality that I can do on my smart phone. Besides I can store much much more documents in my smart phone. My k800i had a limit of only 20 notes that can be synced if I remember it right. I haven't tried it on my elm though.
[ This Message was edited by: jojosiscar on 2010-11-11 10:42 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-11 11:36:23
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Smartphones are smarter than SE
featurephones , get over it. Just because a
smartphone doesn' t do what you want
doesn' t make it stupid, we' ve proven that
smartphones provide more depth and
freedom to their users , applications are
part of their appeal.
If you dont like that then throw your Vivaz
against the wall and stick to your
dumbphones.
Totally agree with you Tsepz.
Simple phones,are good for some people and others need smartphone functions, its stupid to say smartphones aren't smart because they aren't as simple as dumb phones.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 12:07:56
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On 2010-11-11 09:32:28, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Smartphones are smarter than SE featurephones, get over it. Just because a smartphone doesn't do what you want doesn't make it stupid, we've proven that smartphones provide more depth and freedom to their users, applications are part of their appeal.
And I have proven that smartphones limit and restrict my usage compared to a SE feature phone. It just depends on what area you're looking at.
I wouldn't exactly call it freedom to be denied those things I've mentioned.
But sure, it gives you more freedom on other areas, no question about that. That's just not enough for me to call it a smart phone.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 12:28:41
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They definitely do enough to be called smart, but as you dont use the features you don't see why you need any more than a dumbphones. Simpler phones have many more restrictions than smartphones
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Posted: 2010-11-11 12:35:31
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On 2010-11-11 12:35:31, mriley wrote:
They definitely do enough to be called smart, but as you dont use the features you don't see why you need any more than a dumbphones. Simpler phones have many more restrictions than smartphones
I don't consider lack of e.g. full browser a restriction. It's a limitation of the hardware on the feature phones.
But it's silly that these powerful smartphones doesn't offer these small functionalities. Stupid.
I don't have the need for a full browser no, but I might use it anyway if I had it. But as long as these smartphones doesn't offer these simple things, then I won't be using them.
To me it's no more different than lack of e.g. eBooks for the feature phones. It's a lack, simple as that. And one there's no excuse for after all these years.
At both big and small companies it has become increasingly popular for the employees to take courses in LEAN; a concept used by Toyota to minimize production time.
There's no LEAN in
1) Buying a smartphone
2) Searching for, downloading and installing a stop-watch app
3) Searching for, downloading and installing an additional file-browser in order to be able to send and receive files and contacts via bluetooth
4) Maybe you need a plugin for that file-browser too before you can do that.
5) Searching for, downloading and installing an additional mp3-player because the built-in lacks equalizer
6) Whoops, no more battery now because of all the searching and installing apps
etc etc
But hey, you've got webbrowsing... yay! That is indeed a smart phone!! (In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic here).
Yea, I'll go with the
1) Buy SE feature phone. That's a smart LEAN solution when you don't need full webbrowsing.
[ This Message was edited by: mr_lou on 2010-11-11 11:51 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-11 12:48:28
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I think you've just had a bad experience with them, personally id never get a vivaz pro, if you want a real smartphone go with xperia or another brand, then most of the limitations you've mentioned won't apply.
Web browsing isn't the only thing that's better, but if your happy with SE feature phones and are disappointed with higher end phones then its futile mentioning them
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Posted: 2010-11-11 19:12:18
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The thing with smartphones is. If it can't do it, get an app which can
. Personally I prefer smartphones because of multitasking and being able to use data and still be able to receive a call (not possible on any dumb SE phones).
PS. Symbian sucks
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[ This Message was edited by: Lollylost100 on 2010-11-11 18:23 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-11 19:23:17
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