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Considering the wishlist... I wonder if anyone would actually be willing to pay US$800 and up for a phone like that. Or does the wishlist need the standard "And it must be under $300" to complete it?
I think
is fragmenting itself too much, considering they don't really have unlimited budgets for product support.
Apple has ONE phone. This makes product support and repair so easy. Parts and inventory become cheaper too.
Right now
has to stock about 8 different LCD screens for Android models alone. How inefficient is that?
They really need to tighten up their market segment... are they a cheap brand? A toy brand? A music phone? A camera company? An executive's choice? Or a techie's choice?
I think they made a mistake with the Play and Pro. They should've combined both into a single model with an optional accessory to swap out the keyboard with the PS controller... they could have even called it the Work + Play... hahahahaha
Same goes for the Mini and Mini Pro. An interchangeable back panel that adds or removes the keyboard would've cut dev & parts costs. And combined the marketshare of both.
could even develop a split "Pro kit" for each base model. Have only 3 models like, Mini, Ray, and Arc... each with a Work Kit, or Play Kit. This gives the consumer, essentially 3 phones in one. Buy the base model and expand it the way you want.
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Posted: 2011-08-23 04:28:30
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This model wil affect the sales of xperia mini, since mini doesnt have front camera and lil smaller size screen, has single speaker, than live. They could've released this phone including mini's features by skipping mini.. People never look for 0.2" screen difference.
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Posted: 2011-08-23 06:15:02
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On 2011-08-23 01:44:50, FMW300i wrote:
Liking this phone, but two drawbacks though:
Fixed corner icons on main screen [Not customisable like minis]
No Noise Shield like on other Xperias.
Any android phone can be very well Customized with different home applications, as android phone this will not be an exception.. How you say that its not customisable like mini???
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Posted: 2011-08-23 06:23:51
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On 2011-08-23 04:28:30, jplacson wrote:
I think
is fragmenting itself too much, considering they don't really have unlimited budgets for product support.
Apple has ONE phone. This makes product support and repair so easy. Parts and inventory become cheaper too.
Right now
has to stock about 8 different LCD screens for Android models alone. How inefficient is that?
They really need to tighten up their market segment... are they a cheap brand? A toy brand? A music phone? A camera company? An executive's choice? Or a techie's choice?
I think they made a mistake with the Play and Pro. They should've combined both into a single model with an optional accessory to swap out the keyboard with the PS controller... they could have even called it the Work + Play... hahahahaha
Same goes for the Mini and Mini Pro. An interchangeable back panel that adds or removes the keyboard would've cut dev & parts costs. And combined the marketshare of both.
1. If you look at the specs for SE's 2011 models versus HTC's and Samsung's and everyone else's, Sony is the least fragmented. The internals are pretty much the same across the board, just in different sized and configured packaging. This helps with parts costs, especially compared to other Android manufacturers. Stocking multiple screen sizes for different models is probably cheaper than stocking a massive variety of chipsets in addition to multiple screen sizes.
2. This builds more on my first point, but by repackaging the same architecture,
ends up with a lineup of general devices physically designed for different markets. I think they're trying to position themselves as a lifestyle brand instead of a "try to please every kind of consumer" brand. Each model has some kind of general broad appeal, but the physical design helps target a more specific audience without being too limiting in demographic, the PLAY being an exception.
3. Swap-out keyboard? I can't imagine that being fun to engineer or program for since the software would have to be tailored to accomodate two sets of input instead of just one or the other.
4. Interchangeable back panel? Unless you're referring to something similar to iPhone keyboard cases, do you have any idea how to engineer something like that? It would actually increase development and parts costs, if anything.
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Posted: 2011-08-23 09:07:04
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Bono
that would push the price way up.
Doesnt the Arc have a LED backlit display?
adsada
Indeed, it would set them apart, they are good at Cameras and design, they need to show it!
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Exactly, SE need something very unique that nobody else has or has mentioned in their ad campaign, HTC have SenseUI, Samsung and LG have their displays and under the hood hardware, and Motorola have the whole "OG Droid" thing in the US and those huge batteries, SE dont have much, and what they do have they dont do enough with.
jplacson
The wishlist consists of features that are mostly going to become standard with the upcoming high end Ice Cream Sandwich running Androids, i'd be prepared to pay the $800 price tag, thats howtmuch the X10 was here when i got it, SE need atleast one super geek device as in the current state of the industry, if you please geeks soon the masses follow, just look at HTC and Samsung, thats exactly what they do and they are the most successful Android manufacturers, Microsoft makes more out of their royalties income from HTC's droids than they do from all their WP7 devices put together.
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Posted: 2011-08-23 09:30:28
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Why doesn't Sony introduce their Stamina batteries into their phones the batteries they use in cameras and camcorders of thiers??
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Posted: 2011-08-23 09:43:00
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On 2011-08-23 09:07:04, lolstebbo wrote:
1. If you look at the specs for SE's 2011 models versus HTC's and Samsung's and everyone else's, Sony is the least fragmented. The internals are pretty much the same across the board, just in different sized and configured packaging. This helps with parts costs, especially compared to other Android manufacturers. Stocking multiple screen sizes for different models is probably cheaper than stocking a massive variety of chipsets in addition to multiple screen sizes.
2. This builds more on my first point, but by repackaging the same architecture,
ends up with a lineup of general devices physically designed for different markets. I think they're trying to position themselves as a lifestyle brand instead of a "try to please every kind of consumer" brand. Each model has some kind of general broad appeal, but the physical design helps target a more specific audience without being too limiting in demographic, the PLAY being an exception.
3. Swap-out keyboard? I can't imagine that being fun to engineer or program for since the software would have to be tailored to accomodate two sets of input instead of just one or the other.
4. Interchangeable back panel? Unless you're referring to something similar to iPhone keyboard cases, do you have any idea how to engineer something like that? It would actually increase development and parts costs, if anything.
1) I agree on this, but the other manufacturers do have the funding to do so.
doesn't.
2) This strategy would work for larger companies that have the distribution and manufacturing of say HTC, LG and Samsung... again,
is a very small player, spreading themselves too thin IMO. Focusing on a couple of segments would be more beneficial to them.
3) It would be the same as programming any of their Pro models w/ keyboards, since they all work when the keyboard is closed, as if there was no keyboard.
4) Initially yes, but gives them more flexibility per model since customers would be more willing to spend on a keyboard or controller accessory than a secondary phone. The really small Israeli phone company Modu had a similar approach, albeit a bit more extreme as the core component was just a basic phone.
already has the tech for it, it was used on the P910i keyboard. The form factor may be different, but the connector was essentially the same. It's not a major change in the unit itself, just provisions for external keypads/keyboards. Considering that the ray is about half the thickness of the Pro, it shouldn't be too difficult to make an external keyboard attachment that isn't too thick.
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Posted: 2011-08-23 09:55:30
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On 2011-08-23 09:55:30, jplacson wrote:
1) I agree on this, but the other manufacturers do have the funding to do so.
doesn't.
2) This strategy would work for larger companies that have the distribution and manufacturing of say HTC, LG and Samsung... again,
is a very small player, spreading themselves too thin IMO. Focusing on a couple of segments would be more beneficial to them.
3) It would be the same as programming any of their Pro models w/ keyboards, since they all work when the keyboard is closed, as if there was no keyboard.
4) Initially yes, but gives them more flexibility per model since customers would be more willing to spend on a keyboard or controller accessory than a secondary phone. The really small Israeli phone company Modu had a similar approach, albeit a bit more extreme as the core component was just a basic phone.
already has the tech for it, it was used on the P910i keyboard. The form factor may be different, but the connector was essentially the same. It's not a major change in the unit itself, just provisions for external keypads/keyboards. Considering that the ray is about half the thickness of the Pro, it shouldn't be too difficult to make an external keyboard attachment that isn't too thick.
1. By scaling the same internal architecture across various sizes and form factors, it helps SE control their costs somewhat; I'm pretty sure Qualcomm cut SE a helluva good deal on the MSM8255, enough to compensate for the costs of the components.
2. How are they spreading themselves too thin? They cover the vital segments effectively through 5 of their XPERIAs (the minis outperform the low-end, the neo/pro are competent in the midrange, and the arc is somewhat uncompetitive in the high-end); arguably, three of their models detract from efficiency: the active (a simple rebody of the mini; I can't imagine the extra costs being too high for it), the ray (I'm not entirely sure what they were thinking since it's basically in its own category, but it's being received well thus far), and the PLAY (which I feel shouldn't have been bothered with, but everyone else in the world was screaming for it anyway).
3. But what about when the bottom panel is slid out? Among things, you'd have to program the OS to handle not just the alternate keys for a keyboard, but also custom buttons and the stupid fake analog circles in addition to some mechanism to recognize which one you've got plugged in; the pros only need to be customized for the keyboard, while the play only needs to be customized for the PS pad. SE was slow in the past when it came to customized software; wouldn't you rather they kept things as uncomplicated as possible?
4. The P910's keyboard was terrible and unergonomic. I had a detachable keyboard for my old Clié. It was clunky and it meant I had to carry around an extra keyboard. They actually had a detachable game controller for the Clié, as well. It was just as clunky and cumbersome as the keyboard. If someone wants a phone with a keyboard, they'd buy a phone with a keyboard. Worst comes to worst, the phone has bluetooth; thanks to the iPhone and the iPad, there's been an incase in portable/mini bluetooth keyboards on the market.
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Posted: 2011-08-23 19:00:35
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Live has started shipping!
Unboxing
here
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Posted: 2011-10-02 19:33:54
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Looks quite decent
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Posted: 2011-10-02 20:01:10
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