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yeah, I used to charge my phone plugging the batery charger on the lightning-antena of the plane. It charges faster if a bird smashes on it. (are we all druged?)
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Posted: 2003-09-25 17:43:07
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On 2003-09-25 13:20:33, malcs wrote:
really?? that means i could put a continuity meter point on on of the wings, and another on a chair-- and i would have a circuit?? scary thought if the aeroplane gets hit by lightning
Well, if you had the door open and extremely long arms you could but I doubt that would happen at 30,000 feet so not scary at all really is it?
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Posted: 2003-09-25 18:58:22
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Mobile phones will not cause fires at petrol/gas stations. This is an urban myth/legend (god, this bi-lingual English thing does your head in!).
See this link:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
Most refueling fires are caused by static generated by people getting in and out of their car while. In the US, pumps have a little latch that allows you to leave it pumping while you go off and do something else. This latch disengages when the pump detects that the tank is full. I've never seen these in Europe.
This latch is probably the biggest safety hazard at gas stations (other than people smoking, or doing something equally as stupid), as it encourages people to get back in their car and build up a charge on their seats. When they then get out (with insulating rubber soles on their shoes) and touch the pump handle, a spark can occur.
The important message is not to get back in your car while refuelling and if you do, you should touch your car to discharge yourself before touching the pump handle.
Also, never fill a container in the back of a pick-up truck, or similarly insulated from the ground. There was a fire in LA recently caused by someone doing that. If I remember correctly, the guy was standing on the truck bed filling a can.
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Posted: 2003-09-25 20:55:00
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@plevyadophy
You may fool younger people in these forums but you won't fool me. Grow up dude and stop pretending you know people "in the know"...your friend "Peter" is a figment of your imagination. This article (you have basically copied a section from page 5 and added a line about the Nokia 9210 and P800) was written by Graham Kirby of the Intel Mobile Computing Group and not your imaginary buddy!
Here is where you dug up your supposed "in the know" reply...
http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/q22000/articles/art_4.htm
Can't wait to read what Peter's friends at TDK will tell him!!!!!!
Talk about your cover (and any credibility) being blown! Hahaha
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Posted: 2003-09-25 20:56:04
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@ MumboJumbo
Hmmm.
Let me tell you this. I DID NOT invent anything.
I do have a friend called Peter. And he is a leading member of the mobile telephony world.
And it may well be that he "lifted" the contents of his email from the place you just posted. But then if he is an industry insider it is obvious he would have have access to various periodicals/journals etc. And if he copied the article to help us out so what?!!!!
Now, if you care to PM me I will provide proof that he does exist and what I posted was a verbatim copy of his email.
After providing the proof I hope you then have the decency to post on here a public apology. As you seem very keen to try and publicly undermine me, I hope you are as keen to publicly admit you are wrong.
Furthermore, I suggest you look at all my posts here, on HowardsForums, and My-Symbian (I use the same username on all Forums). Looking at my posts you will see that I am not the kinda character who deals in hoaxes.
I will be looking forward to your PM.
@everyone else
Today my friend sent me another email.
This is what he said:
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Hi,
I have read the Thread. I am not interested in joining the Forum to contribute, but here are couple of other thoughts…..
The main reason UK petrol stations will not allow the use of Mobile Phones (or any transmitting equipment for that matter) is that in the good ol’ days of Citizen’s Band radio (remember that?) it was found that the powerful radio signals being transmitted by some of the unlicensed AM based devices had the effect of slowing down the flow meter readings on the (then unshielded) new digital petrol pumps. The effect was exacerbated if the CB radio output was being amplified above 4 Watts and the trend at the time was to install transmit stage amps as big as 100 Watts so the Good Buddies in Watford could talk to their mates in Warrington! Word soon got round and lots of Herberts were driving into their local filling station, keying the mike button at the same time as the filling nozzle and then driving away with a full tank for 50p! The result was a total ban on the use of CB while at a filling station and a couple of small companies got big selling CB detectors to the petrochemical industry.
When mobile phones first were introduced in the mid 80’s, this knowledge was still fresh in minds of the petrol industry executives and so they effectively extended their ban to cover mobile phones too.
Of course today’s petrol pumps are appropriately shielded so they are no longer affected by RF, particularly not by the meagre 4 Watts to which mobile phones are limited. WiFi will soon become a standard at petrol stations as many companies open a Public Access Location (aka Hotspot) so that travelling execs and chip heads can fill up their email inbox at the same time as they fill their tank, stomach, mistress and whatever else.
On the Mobile Phones on in flight topic. I was doing some work with one of the Chief Scientists from the Boeing Connexions team earlier this year and he told me that a few years ago they had a funded and FAA sanctioned project to test the effect of MoFos on their aircraft. They loaded up a 747 with 200 mobile phones of all types, (GSM, CDMA, TACS, ETACS, PDC and even Mobitex which is used by US Blackberries), took the plane upto a safe altitude (around 20,000 ft) over a desert area and switched all the phones on. Since they were out of the reach of any base station, and the aircraft is effectively a Faraday Cage all the phones ramped up to full power pretty quickly and guess what happened.
Nothing, not an electronic sausage!
The conclusion is that the shielding which exists around all cabling and vital electronic compononets to protect them from the effect of a lightning stike, something that happens rather often to planes, also had the effect of screening out any possible interference from low power RF devices.
One problem which the airlines do see though (particularly in the example of Virgin who are already using Bluetooth for their entertainment systems) is that lots of passenger WiFi and Bluetooth devices being used in an enclosed space will begin to interfere with each other and degrade the quality of websurfing and entertainment experience being enjoyed by passengers. A good example of this was seen at CeBIT this spring when most of the WiFi demo’s crashed because there were over 700 of them in a single hall all trying to use the same bandwidth and there was so much freq hopping going on that the data never actually got through.
As I said in my earlier answer, much of this will in the end depend on Airline policy and the staff are in a postion where they can and must enforce that policy, no matter how wrong it may seem to the technically enlightened. In the end passengers/consumers have a choice. If you want to use your Bluetooth device on an aircraft, choose an airline that has a relaxed and informed policy on their use. Once Whiteknucle Airlines starts loosing business passenger revenues because they have a draconian policy banning BT and WiFi use on the aircraft, the economics will force them to review their stance.
One final thought! Never piss-off the cabin crew. They are the people who give you your food and drink and who knows what happens in the Galley when the seatbelt signs are on?!
Regards,
Peter
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I hope you all find the info above useful
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Posted: 2003-09-25 22:00:11
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@MumboJumbo & plevyadophy
Men, if I may attempt to mediate here:
MumboJumbo your allegation appears to be that plevyadophy is inventing ‘imaginary contacts’ to increase his credibility, persuade others of his arguments….. who knows what his personal motives may be?
Clearly some of plevyadophy’s friend’s, Peter, email contained identical content to that in the article by Grahem Kirby, as you pointed out. Plagiarism is rife and anyway you would expect an ‘expert’ to refer to other ‘experts’ views.
What exactly is your allegation?
What is your motive for making an attack on plevyadophy?
You may have a very good reason!
My view is that while the majority of people ‘hide’ behind personas, it is even more difficult to get at the ‘truth’. People have very good reasons to ‘hide’ behind these personas. It may or may not make their contribution more or less constructive, it’s a tough one.
I currently don’t hide (Slicy and UdayandQusay are on holiday), my name is Fletche, if you look at my homepage you can even phone me. Spent my whole life with some people thinking I’m nuts, some think I’m a genius, I’m past giving a f**k.
My judgement would be, is the person constructively contributing and what are your views on their contribution?
If you guys have got a personal thing going, PM each other, meet in a car park, knock 10 bells out of each other, buy us all a beer to celebrate and chill.
Fletche
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[ This Message was edited by: Fletche on 2003-09-25 21:58 ]
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Posted: 2003-09-25 22:43:01
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:lol:
Cebit crashed
This message was posted from a T610
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Posted: 2003-09-25 23:33:06
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You PM me the details of "your friend" and I will do my own research. It won't take me 5 minutes to confirm the veracity of your info....name, company, name of the body and an email address will be more than enough. I'll put it through my "process" and we will see what we get! I have no problem apologising so long as your "expert" friend does the same to the author of the article he stole without giving due credit (credible experts do NOT do this!!). I await your PM then....
PS I have nothing against you per se but I have seen so many bullshitters in my time that I have grown tired of it. I am making a stand. As I said, if I am wrong I will apologise and leave this forum, in shame, never to return.
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Posted: 2003-09-25 23:56:14
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@MumboJumbo & plevyadophy
Please don’t ‘lock horns’.
I’m sure most of us don’t want either of you to go away.
There is no ‘shame’ in saying anything. The only shame is if we tear ourselves apart for the past.
Trying to lighten things up a bit:
I’ll tell you about shame, I defended an American friend in Poland, driving around in a flash car, charged for drink driving. I attempted to represent his ‘rights’. Anyway he was released without charge 12 hours later, he’d got a history of being a bad boy!
A few weeks later I’m coming out of a strip club and end up in a fraca with a mafia type taxi driver. When the police arrived, guess who was 1 of them, the same copper who’d arrested my American friend. To cut a long story short, I end up disappearing for a few days without trial. The accommodation was great, cozy 20 to a cell numbers. Occasional exercise of our groans with a truncheon.
I was eventually released, my suit trashed, my wallet empty and my phone blocked. I tried to take action against these ‘people’ for kidnapping me! However their was no evidence that it happened at all, except for my bruised groin.
The ‘shame’ of this story is that my wife (at the time – good Polish catholic girl – she’s now living in the South of France with a 2nd rate sit com writer) divorced me for amongst other things bringing ‘shame’ on her family. (I should add that, to defend her position, I do seem to get involved in a lot of trouble and always have).
Now that’s a shame!
But what the f**k, life moves on!
Fletche
LET'S GET BACK TO THE THREAD:
MOBLIE PHONES, BLUETOOTH, WIFI, IR ARE THEY OK TO USE ON AEROPLANES AND WHAT IS THE VIEW OFF THE CARRIERS?
IS BLUE JACKING A BAD THING ON AN AEROPLANE?
Fletche
[ This Message was edited by: Fletche on 2003-09-26 00:28 ]
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Posted: 2003-09-26 01:21:03
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Nice one fletche,it's your thread,you tell em!!!
Btw,if they stuck all the passengers at the back of the plane the bluetooth would'nt reach the cockpit
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Posted: 2003-09-26 02:12:11
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