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On 2004-12-13 05:39:00, AYA wrote:
I suspect that 3g was never about the consumer. It probably was someone's idea to ride the "next wave".
That's exactly what I think! Which is why developers are now coming up with 4G which combines current 2.5G and Wifi. Although standards have yet to be finalized... it looks a lot more promising than 3G.
GSM was NEVER originally meant to be a GLOBAL standard. GSM was originally just for a few European countries so that roaming wouldn't be too big a deal. But the system worked so well, that other countries adopted it... then the bandwagon boys came in and said "CDMA is better...blah blah blah"... when that flopped... they decided to say "Well, we're coming up with the NEXT big hit...3G!"
CDMA is accepted in some countries... but globally it flopped. Most countries jumped from AMPS/ETACs straight to GSM.
Infrastructure of GSM is a lot cheaper and way more stable than 3G. There are so many suppliers for GSM equipment already... as well as trained technicians. The MAJORITY of mobile users aren't dying for more bandwidth. The majority don't even maximize the data services we have now. Why? Still boils down to cost. Until mobile data rates can match WiFi hotspots... people will still opt for the faster & cheaper solution..which is WiFi. Considering that most people need bandwidth for surfing on their laptops... why drain your phone batt if you're near a WiFi spot? You get much faster access, at dirt cheap rates.
No one would currently download a 500MB or larger file over GPRS or 3G... not REGULARLY (the few that have... seriously... would you prefer downloading these files over 3G instead of WiFi?)
Only file hogs use that much bandwidth... even today... majority of websurfing and email access doesn't take up a lot of bandwidth... a SOLID 128-256kbps connection is good enough for 90% of the world's surfing habits. (P2P people don't count so don't bother with that arguement). And EDGE offers those speeds already...with VERY minimal cost on both the provider AND end user. With no need to migrate user accounts, or anything.
End users can either get an EDGE handset... or and EDGE PC card. If EDGE isn't available... it falls back to GPRS. Which is still a pretty solid 53K connection (it can handle the basic USB 1.1 webcams)
Again, my point with 3G is... cost - benefit ratio. In Europe... 3G is fine...up and running. A few countries (even here in the Phil) already have roll-out schedules for 3G. Handsets are already preordered here as well... but in the big picture... backwards compatibility, battery issues, stability issues, coverage, and cost are still the things that are holding 3G back. And by the time they sort things out... 4G will be out. Or out of pride, they'll probably still call it 3G-enhanced... or something... but current 3G handsets won't work on it, since new handsets will already be out by then. Too much... too soon.
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Posted: 2004-12-13 08:24:51
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Hmmm...lot to think about there.
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Posted: 2004-12-13 08:31:40
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Ok so i guess we should wait for 3G enhanced or 4G evolution.
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Posted: 2004-12-13 09:45:32
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I think 4g won't be here in India any time soon. :-(
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Posted: 2004-12-13 09:48:45
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well first i would lyke to ask is Orange going to launch 3G network in India?
secondly in india reliance uses 3G network and the network is anyday better than any 2g network companies
i have surfed the reliance world also and it shows the videos and trust me we can see the video quiet clearly...i guess 3G network of reliacne in india is awsome..!!!
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Posted: 2004-12-13 11:12:34
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It is not 3g dawg! But i think EDGE speeds are good enough for the time being. We only need more EDGE enabled phones!
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Posted: 2004-12-13 11:22:55
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I did a test the other day between a 3g phone and an 'old' 2g(GPRS) one
The 3g was using a swedish company Comviq and the 2g was with Vodafone.
I thought that after all the hype about 3g concerning speed etc it would be an easy battle. I was amased to find that with the GPRS one I was able to surf around to several site BEFORE the 3g phone had actually loaded anything!!!!
I know that it isnt just about surfing but 3g has other good potentials. This test was just to see how the average person would most likely use their phone.
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Posted: 2004-12-13 15:46:25
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On 2004-12-13 05:39:00, AYA wrote:
With over 120million people, and economic power of the majority similar to what obtains in India, you think India "qualifies" and Nigeria does not? Sounds strange.
Not really when one considers that India has a population of over a billion. Even if just ten percent of Indians could afford to buy and use a mobile phone, that is still more than a hundred million people, almost the entire population of Nigeria. Indian networks could afford to make their services very cheap, in the long term, because, even with a poor population, the number of people able to afford even basic services, is still so huge that they can generate massive profits. The UK, for example, has approximately fifty million mobile phone users, who between them send more than 2 billion texts a month, at an average cost of approximately £0.08 each, generating sales of £160 million/month. If Indian mobile growth rates manage to reach 10% of the population (almost certainly they will), they would be capable of generating double the profit base don a 10% uptake, compared with over 80% in the UK.
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One interesting point is, 3g is not even working so well at the moment for those of you who have taken it up. Why would you want to foist on us whatz not working?
Foist on you? I don't think it is a question of forcing 3G upon anyone. In fact, by the time Nigeria does implement 3G, if at all, it should be at the stage where the bugs experienced at the moment have been ironed out, thus making it a better service to have.
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I read reports & comments of 3g subscribers from around the world. Its more negative than positive, even in your country. Its hard to see why anyone came up with something so different that it needs completely new infrastructure to run. 3g is a waste, IMO.
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The reason we have telephones at all is because someone invented a system that required a new infrastructure. Just because soemthing is difficult does not mean that it isn't worth doing. How long did it take for us to get to the point where mobile phones were small enough to fit in one's pocket? New technology takes time, but so far the reports seem to have been rather favourable of the technology itself, the only major exceotion being battery life, which is improving with newer handsets. Most of the criticism seems to be directed towards customer services.
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I suspect that 3g was never about the consumer. It probably was someone's idea to ride the "next wave".
Highly doubtful, unless that person has a great deal of influence over the policies of numerous corporations and is able to persuade them to invest vast sums of money.
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Hopefully, network developers have learnt their lessons with this costly mistake called 3g.
Since 3G appears to be doing rather well in both Europe and Japan I wouldn't label it a 'mistake' just yet.
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I don't see 3G as being dead at all, nor do I see it as being 'too much, too soon' either. 3G, like any new technology presented to the public, takes time to establish itself. If one look to Japan, for example, one would see a thriving 3G market. Europe is now beginning to adopt 3G en masse. The real driving force behind 3G will be services, and not just those services, which are network driven. As public services, shops, businesses, etc integrate into the 3G networks, the appeal of 3G will broaden immensely.
Different cultures utilise technology in different ways, the SMS/MMS example is quite appropriate in this respect. MMS hasn't replaced SMS, but why hasn't SMS taken off in the U.S. to the same extent it has just about everywhere else? Americans use their mobiles differently, and from spekaing with American friends I have seen that they do not use data services much, if at all, when compared to Europeans. I know several people who are very much looking forward to 3G speeds for accessing the internet from their laptops, as well as looking forward to downloading music and news clips direct to their mobile. There is also a feeling that we shall get to see more of the services available in japan once we have 3G, especially the ability to use one's mobile to make purchases. Mobile television also seems very popular amongst those I have spoken with.
3G is very much alive and kicking, new handsets and better network services are bringing in new customers, in the UK at least. Customers, as a whole, do not care about standards or technical specifications, they want nice looking mobiles, which perform well and allow them to do interesting things. 3G can, and already does to an extent, offer them those services. Within the next year or two most of Western Europe will be very much moving towards, or already be, 3G in my opinion.
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Posted: 2004-12-13 18:28:25
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On 2004-12-13 11:12:34, Indiandawg wrote:
well first i would lyke to ask is Orange going to launch 3G network in India?
secondly in india reliance uses 3G network and the network is anyday better than any 2g network companies
i have surfed the reliance world also and it shows the videos and trust me we can see the video quiet clearly...i guess 3G network of reliacne in india is awsome..!!!
i cant imagine the reliance to be 3g ,they are only cdma 1x2000 , i think they dont even have mms
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Posted: 2004-12-14 13:54:40
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Definitely Reliance is not 3g!
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