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On 2005-03-13 00:21:21, bart wrote:
@scotsboyuk: i would agree with you, but not yet. it is still to soon. many years ago there where also MP-3 phones (sony and samsung had ones) but they didn't sell cause nobody was really intrested/didn't want it/didn't know it excisted.
And Siemens SL45 (my first mp3 playing phone)
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Posted: 2005-03-15 11:11:02
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On 2005-03-15 11:03:08, m100 wrote:
Ipods aren't much use if you do not have a computer.£400 upwards for a computer and £200 or more a year to go online is a lot of money for some people.People pay more for a ringtone or screensaver than for a track from itunes.Imagine how much money there is to be made when (that when not if) you can buy tracks and download it to your mobile in 3 minutes.
I agree. This is one of the reasons why Motos models have been pulled.
Increasingly, we are seeing Networks having more influence over the manufacturers and after spending millions upgrading their networks to 2.5/3G, they desperately need to recoup some of this outlay and selling handsets to customers that don't allow music downloads must be so unattractive to them.
Which would mean them either being very expensive or redesigned to permit downloads.
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Posted: 2005-03-15 11:38:00
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@ Golden face: I agree with what you are saying but i think the networks wont sell that much music. The reasons would be because of probably poor quality downloads (160kbps on i tunes music store for example is not that good in my opionion and i don think network music downloads are going to be much better than that). And secondly If you buy a song from itunes you can easily burn a cd so you can listen to it in your car, bathroom, wherever. Its easy but for your average punter being able to get the music from your phone onto a cd is pretty difficult (plus using bluetooth or the usb cable is slow).
Also i dont see the convergence thing between phones and music happening. Me personally if im listening to my iPod and my mobile rings i dont find it annoying having to take out my headphone to take the calll. I also dont mind having 2 different devices in my pockets as they are both pretty small, but thats me personally. Also memory (my iPod has 60gb hd of which its 40gb are used), a study somewhere (i'll see if i can find it) also says that the average person has 1000 songs on their portable mp3 players so phone memory would have to go up quite considerably. Also i want to use whatever headphones i chose not the unconfortable/rubbish sound quality headphone you currently get with phones.
Maybe they will be big but imho i dont see i happening (breaking into the mainstream like the iPod has) for a few years to come.
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Posted: 2005-03-15 13:16:22
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@whentheleveebreaks
The networks will probably not sell as much music as itunes I agree with that. But if they sell as much music as people buy ringtones then they will be happy.
The Average Revenue Per User (ARPU) will increase dramatically for the networks if they can convince people that downloading music onto their devices is as easy as downloading ringtones, and cool.
It is a sector of the market that they will be eager to push and a good reason for networks to get the manufacturers to produce more advanced handsets with greater storage and a faster chip to do all the hardwork.
Now, I am not saying they will provide a serious challenge this year or even next, but with HDD slowly making its way onto mobile phones you can sort of see where this may be heading.
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Posted: 2005-03-15 15:26:14
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You need a credit card for itunes and others,many people,and children don't have credit cards but can pay for tracks with their phone credit.How successful would ringtones and screensavers be if you could only pay by credit card and download on a PC?Record companies are not interested as they make more selling tracks on CD,why would they want to change CDs for something less profitable?Sony spent over ten years with the minidisc and failed but with the new SE mobiles I think will do better.
In western countries it may not be much but in many other countries a computer cost years of wages so thats a non starter.But with a mobile with MP3 they can bypass all that.
You don't even have to have the latest technology,get something like the cheap Nokia 3410 put a memory card slot,headphone socket and software and you got a MP3 player,it would hardly cost that much more.
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Posted: 2005-03-15 18:45:18
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@m100 Good points all round.
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Posted: 2005-03-15 21:12:00
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