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The person who said that was Referring to Bart, and Im sure bart like me, doesnt think they dont make a good team, its just that you would expect more, they provide quality products, but nothing that surprised everyone who wasnt a die hard SE fan, you may argue that the K750 and W800 are like that, but thats only because we love SE, if your a regular guy, theyre nothing out of the ordinary.
Now the T68 and P800 (both by ericsson) are phones which attracted the masses, this is where most of us were pulled in by SE.
If SE kept doing that like the path ericsson were on, we would see more innovative consumer attracting products.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 15:31:36
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i will not deny that SE makes the best phones, but imo it would've been better for ericsson if SE never saw the daylight.
the phones that SE lauched would've come on the market eventually, maby not the K700 but a better one, cause face it guys, after the T610 the K700 was a flop.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 15:51:49
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if SE would've never excisted, there would've never been a K750 or any others. but we would've had the RX1...
don't forget that without SE there wouldn't be an Ericsson anymore, the coop was the only chance for Ericsson to let their commercial phone department stay alive
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Posted: 2005-04-24 17:12:10
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not really. a good restructering would've sloved it aswell. and don't forget that the last line of ericsson was doing fine.
T66 was making good profit cause some people wanted the smallest phone availeble
T65 nice looking, and stronger then the averdge phone
T68m
do i need to say? most historicle phone ever made untill today
keep in mind that the first couple of Q's SE had less marketshare then ericsson, even now they've got less marketshare.
and don't say that SE is more profitable, cause during the first Q's SE made a big loss.
like i said if ericsson restructured there mobile phone section, then they would've made it and we would've seen far more intresting things.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 17:27:35
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I love SE, but ericsson was a very good company that was on the right path, SE only added better aesthetics to the mix.
Oh I just remembered the Menu SE uses is based on the T68m menu which is an ericsson, so aesthetics is the only improvement.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 17:55:00
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ever tried playing gran turismo? there are "those"-->( the mass, the standard way of thinking) and the not those ---> (those who are creative and imaginative, sometimes called unique but usely regarded as weird)
well, the "those" people playing gran turismo would certainly tell themselves, "i hope my car had a turbo and it would be faster and i hope there are new car models in this game"
and the "not those" would probably tell themselves "i hope there are cars here in the game that can fly... gran turismo designers are stupid."
from this point on, the designers of gran turismo would opt to design the game to the mass who would prefer a more realistic design and the thing they can have to enhance what they have. they can opt to design the game with flying cars(which they can) but did not since this would not be what the market wants.
In the same way, SE would prefer to give the masses a more ENHANCED (rather than new and innovative) phone that can lengthen bluetooth by another 10m, clearer cam, a longer battery life and a stylish new design rather than offering:
-phones that can be disposed and recycled away (which we can
all do in our regular phone with the use a hammer or fry pan)
-release a phone which you can bring down to while swimming in the
pool
or
-phones with DVD player
in this way, they can save money from the designing team and productions, and if they would ever release a fone with a 5megapixel cam or a 20 or 40gig phone, then they won't have any sales anymore. Why?
because, anything more than 5mp and 20-40gig memory is unsellable because those mentioned are the standard and too much for average joe, then they would opt too sell poor and blinded average joe with a 1.3mp cam fone and average joe would buy, after some months they would release 2mp cam phone and again average joe would be drooling and eventually buy that and then they would release another fone with a better cam without any new innovations and poor old average joe would again spend his dough buying that new fone? try reminiscing, and answer this question = for the past 3-5 years, how many fones have you bought? in those 5 fones or so, how much did SE (a name that we trust most) stolen from you? for that past 3-5 years, a 5 or 10 mp cam and a high resolution,brilliant LCD/TFT screen and a 20gigmp3/4 is already available in the market but SE did not opt to merge this to their fone since this would be a great "innovation" and after the great
"innovation-fone-wid-10mpcam-and262kscreen-wid20gigmp3-player" is released then there would not be another fone to be sold.
remember one of the golden rule in business- businessmen work for their own profit, they do not create quality products for the consumers sake, but hence they do it so that they can earn more from the consumers. and a huge leap such as this would cause the desgining team headaches and more money from SE is needed to be payed for this headached designers- so unrealistic
i myself am an average joe, and from my own point of view, i cannot do anything, i have to bite SE's new trick in stealing money from my purse. Sad and unbelievable but true..
so unless Esato would start to build its own celfone company that aims for consumers sake rather than it's own profit, then we cannot do anything but wish and release our opinions in this thread.
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[ This Message was edited by: B.J. on 2005-04-24 17:12 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-24 18:09:05
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Strange discussion mates. Me myself? I prefer the other companies to be innovative and SE follow them and highly IMPROVE the pioneers' innovations. God damn - the SL45 phone by Siemens was to be very innovative - you know, the mp3 player, all kinds of stuff. But it was buggy like hell.
Therefore we come to a simple conclusion. If cellphones will start to levitate some day I don't want SE to be the first one producing levitating cellphone.
I want SE to be the one producing THE BEST levitating phone on the market.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 19:09:34
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Its not the same thing, the designers for games try to keep it realistic, while technology designers try to do the exact opposite, if your theory is correct the wright brothers shouldve said, lets not build a plane, lets build something that doesnt defy boundaries lets keep it real and build a walking stick.
I personally love the innovative, and people who desire newer more innovative technologies are the MASSES.
If what your saying is correct then the T68 shouldve been a huge flop and the P800 shouldve been turned down by the MASSES because people thoought the phone was too amazing, and normally phones shouldnt do that.
Your analogy is way off.
Oh, and wouldnt you buy a phone with a DVD player if it was cost effective?
Adding Megapixels and memory isnt innovation, if I knew what was innovative in handsets, Id be a head for a major phone company.
Something new radical and implemented correctly, with correct functionality.
Samsungs 3d Motion detection phone, Thats Innovation, although not a practical one (thats why its not that popular) its nevertheless an innovation.
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[ This Message was edited by: Yazan24 on 2005-04-24 18:19 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-24 19:15:54
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Its not the same thing, the designers for games try to keep it realistic, while technology designers try to do the exact opposite, if your theory is correct the wright brothers shouldve said, lets not build a plane, lets build something that doesnt defy boundaries lets keep it real and build a walking stick.
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[ This Message was edited by: Yazan24 on 2005-04-24 18:19 ]
the wright brothers realized the dream that everyman on that time wished... remember Da Vinci's ideas? they weren't innovative.. instead they made things realized.. and they are not into business.. they are into themselves proving they can fly and their goal isn't set about profit or money, business co. like SE like real things to be realized after they have already earned money.. but anyways... doesnt matter... SE still isn't innovative and we are still hooked to it.. (atleast to some)
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[ This Message was edited by: B.J. on 2005-04-24 19:52 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-24 20:51:19
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abit like ericsson, there many prodjects were aimed to improve our lives, to improve mankind. if they would've developed it for profit they wouldn've had so much dept.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 20:54:18
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