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I remember when GSM only covered the big cities in the UK.... it's all a matter of time. UMTS will probably be superceded at some stage but the point is that EDGE is a bridging technology to start with, and cannot be regarded in the same way. Surely, in the same way as support for devices dwindles after their successors are released (e.g. P800/P900), why would we expect SE to invest in a technology that has already been made obsolete, even if the implementation of the new technology is rather taking a while?
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Posted: 2005-05-05 03:53:01
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Whatever the reason, SE is losing customers! I've seen more than 10 guys who were plannin to buy a phone, shy away due to lack of edge support! That too, in a small town like mine! Also, the logic that expensive handsets won't sell here is flawed. If that was so, Se shouldn't be selling the P910 here! Even the W800 or the K750 would be expensive if thats the case.
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Posted: 2005-05-05 04:15:00
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@whiz..my thoughts exactly..i wouldnt mind paying a lil extra for a pxxx with Edge support
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Posted: 2005-05-05 04:36:00
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Super G, well said! However what most of you are forgetting is that Edge was never meant 2 be a stop gap. It can coexist with 3g very nicely. Many of you in Europe can travel long ranges outside the big cities and will find that 3g gets dropped to 2 gprs. Ericsson even licences hardware platform of edge 2 other manufacturers. There is over 21 wireless providers in north and south america with over 250 million? customers that can use edge. I posted the exact figure a while back in another tread. We have more buying power even though the currency is cheaper. Almost every product is marketed with the usa customer base in mind. With coding rates, Edge could match 386kbps+ rates of 3g.
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Posted: 2005-05-05 04:38:06
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@scotboyuk, dont try to underestimate india.For your kind information,we indians are buying more highend phones than any other market.Nokia has said in It's official statement that there recent high end models have sold better in india than in any other market.
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Posted: 2005-05-05 06:20:23
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On 2005-05-05 06:20:23, Dr.pratikB. wrote:
@scotboyuk, dont try to underestimate india.For your kind information,we indians are buying more highend phones than any other market.Nokia has said in It's official statement that there recent high end models have sold better in india than in any other market.
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This quote will do nicely to answer those who seem to have read my last post in this thread, but not actually taken any meaning from it.
I am not saying that high-end phones will not sell in India or that SE shouldn't try to cater to the Indian market. However, SE is not in the same league as Nokia when it comes to manufacturing products, they simply don't produce the same number of handsets in the same quantities.
SE also concentrate very much on mid to high-end products and they very much aim their limited production capacity at those markets, which have a track record of buying the type of products SE sell.
Look at SE's target customer base, it is comprised of mature mobile markets, not developing ones. SE have to safeguard their position within their core markets, which means adapting to those markets. In this case that entails the adoption of 3G because that is what Europe and Japan use. Perhaps when SE has grown more and is able to sustain a more diverse portfolio of products it can offer specific solutions tailored to particular regions outside of its core markets, but until then you are very unlikely to see very many EDGE enabled handsets from SE.
If SE thought that India could sustain a large high-end phone market then I am quite sure they would have more India specific products on sale. One only has to look at the U.S. to see a country much richer than India that SE isn't bothering about for similar reasons. The majority of Americans aren't buying expensive high-end handsets, so there isn't the same sort of sustanability for that market as there is in Europe and Japan, hence SE have few products on sale in North America.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-05-05 05:44 ]
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Posted: 2005-05-05 06:43:30
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Scots, the problem is, when the k750 is launched here, it falls straight in the price bracket of the likes of the 6630. Now given a choice, people would definitely choose 6630 over the k750 because of: 1) Edge support. 2)Smartphone ability. 3)Cheaper external memory...... I am with you on the point that SE doesn't have the resources to produce handsets on the same scale as nokia, BUT.. How much of SE's resources would it have taken to make these new phones Edge compatible?
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Posted: 2005-05-05 07:05:00
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On 2005-05-05 06:43:30, scotsboyuk wrote:
This quote will do nicely to answer those who seem to have read my last post in this thread, but not actually taken any meaning from it.
I am not saying that high-end phones will not sell in India or that SE shouldn't try to cater to the Indian market. However, SE is not in the same league as Nokia when it comes to manufacturing products, they simply don't produce the same number of handsets in the same quantities.
SE also concentrate very much on mid to high-end products and they very much aim their limited production capacity at those markets, which have a track record of buying the type of products SE sell.
Look at SE's target customer base, it is comprised of mature mobile markets, not developing ones. SE have to safeguard their position within their core markets, which means adapting to those markets. In this case that entails the adoption of 3G because that is what Europe and Japan use. Perhaps when SE has grown more and is able to sustain a more diverse portfolio of products it can offer specific solutions tailored to particular regions outside of its core markets, but until then you are very unlikely to see very many EDGE enabled handsets from SE.
If SE thought that India could sustain a large high-end phone market then I am quite sure they would have more India specific products on sale. One only has to look at the U.S. to see a country much richer than India that SE isn't bothering about for similar reasons. The majority of Americans aren't buying expensive high-end handsets, so there isn't the same sort of sustanability for that market as there is in Europe and Japan, hence SE have few products on sale in North America.
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Nice post; however the flaw is in what you already said. If SE makes the marketing decision that high end phones arent purchased by Americans (dont know if you mean only the USA or the entire North America = Canada,USA,Mexico) or even lets include South Americans. Then of course we wouldnt be able to purchase those high-end phones. SE p800/900/910a, z500a/s710a have ALL been available by wireless providers subsidzied to be purchased by new customers or even as upgrades. However, SE doesnt ship phones available in Europe markets to authorized retailers (open market) & actually support them. This affects their bottom line.
Many owners of the p910a have gone onto more advanced products; even if the camera resolution is no better. But synchronization, email support, application support is much better.
Personally I love SE's simplistic yet professional design, but they need to offer more value & features in their products. Example, the p900 is what the p800 should've been (cant say professionals felt "Pro" carrying the p800 with its kiddish colours). The p910a features (MS Pro support, 256K screen) should've been in the p900!! Remember they've been playing with this type of concept for many years (Think: r380 with EPOC os?). They built in keyboard was to fight the success of the Treo/BlackBerry of no doubt.
They shouldnt try to be Nokia but they shouldnt try to be Siemens either - their backing out!!
[ This Message was edited by: Prom1 on 2005-05-05 06:25 ]
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Posted: 2005-05-05 07:07:10
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This is a verbatim of what I posted in another thread as to why SE should implement EDGE in their products more.
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/March2005/1186.htm (EDGE spreading throughout the Americas) dated March 14, 2005. This link lists that EDGE covers 93% or the Canadian population = potentially 250 million people. Futhermore, Mexico also implemented EDGE and available to potential 29 million people; along with another 8 Latin American countries. EDGE is adopted by 154 operators in 87 countries together offering potentially 1 quarter billion customers. I think that is enough reason for EDGE to be implemented, maybe along with European 2100mhz UMTS at least for Europe/Asia/African nations (yes Africa does have EDGE).
On a competitiveness angle SE makes only 5(s710a, 3data cards, z500 - no its not discountinued) products that have EDGE, while Nokia makes (6630/6680/6681/6682/6620/6220/6221) an estimate of 7+. Of those at least 3 of those products offer EDGE & UMTS, not all potential users will stay in their geographical market for the products lifespan, and thus may travel to Canada/USA/Mexico.
Cingular in the US is already testing UMTS for both North America's 850+1900Mhz bands. They have an existing infrastructure for EDGE in the majority of their coverage. SE could manufacture UMTS for the Americas for these existing bands.
Sure EDGE is slower than UMTS however it is cheaper for manufacturers to implement in products & for carriers to deploy. Besides do those of you loving UMTS data speeds, would you prefer your QoS (Quality of Service) to drop to GPRS speeds instead of EDGE? Sure UMTS coverage is extensive in Europe & most of Asia, but don't expect it in the Americas for another 2 years at best for most coverage areas.
BTW gov, EDGE works on 850 in Canada currently with Rogers & 850/1900mhz in the USA with Cingular/AT&TWireless.
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Nokia also sells 3220 and 6230.These phones also have edge.Even newer smartphones like N3230 and N7710 has got edge..@agree with you whiz.Noone who has used nokia phone will think about k750.everyone will think that when 6630 is full fledged smart phone with future proof 3G technology,why invest 23+k in a old tech.phone
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Posted: 2005-05-05 09:30:08
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