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I can see a little bit of this in you Scotsboy...
The Complainer: These people have a bit of a chip on their shoulder. They will complain about everything and anything, usually extremely petty matters, which really ar eof very little importance."
(Well i can see that this IS of importance to you mate, thats why youve brought it up 
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But you talk about these things like theyre bad? without complaining how do we know when something is wrong, its just some people find it their mission if life to complain, and i'm not complaining about that!
I think the majority of people can see through the cr*p on esato and dont have a problem with it.
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DNB RADIO!!![ This Message was edited by: batesie on 2005-05-22 18:19 ]
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Posted: 2005-05-22 19:17:08
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BTW not having a go at you scots, i can actually see you genuinely care about the future of this forum...
I appreciate that
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Posted: 2005-05-22 20:00:55
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@Wuz
One wonders why such threads keep appearing though ...
You are perfectly correct in what you say about this sort of thread having been created before, but I would argue that that is actually indicative of the importance of the matter to more than I.
@batesie
I think each of us has certain aspects of those categories I defined, within us. No one is perfect and we all have our little idiosincracies, but there comes a point when it goes beyond that.
Perhaps masseur is right, perhaps I am nostalgically seeking an Esato that has long since gone or perhaps never really existed at all. There seems to come a certain time for particular members when they realise how much Esato has changed for them. They realise that they no longer fit in as they once did and that they are foreign in their own land.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 20:25:14
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I don't have much to add here. Masseur has said pretty much what can be said from Team Esato's side.
I wrote a metaphor on Esato a while back. I believe it fits in this topic as well:
Esato is like a ship; it goes from port to port, picks up new passengers and lets others off. In the open sea there might be rough weather sometimes but most of the time it's calm and comfortable.
Then we go back to a port where we have been before and pick up some new passengers, and some old, whilst some from the last journey decide to go ashore.
The journey continues with Laffen as captain, the mods as his closest coworkers, the "veterans" as crew to look after the passsengers and report up the ladder if anyone gets "drunk in the bar" and missbehaves. Then we eigther throw them over board or put them in a life boat in a rope behind the ship for a while to sober up.
The long time "crew" of this ship knows how it is and try to teach the new passengers where the bar is located, where the cabins are, where to do your shopping and where to join conferences and lessons of education.
The best thing about this ship is that there is no 1st, 2nd or 3rd class cabins. Everyone on the ship is equal and are treated the same way. The crew is there to guide not rule and the passengers are here to share and learn equal to the crew.
All in all Esato is a butifull cruice ship that needs it's crew and passengers to keep sailing and stay afloat.
I do want to add one litte thing though;
Moderators being stricter is a sensible issue. What has become a trend is a bit annoying actually; We lock a topic and a new topic asking why we did it pops up! "Why was that topic locked?" "Who locked that topic?" What sort of answer is expected to a question like that? "He, he... I locked it just for fun"?
How can we be stricter when everything we do is being questioned?
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Posted: 2005-05-22 20:29:11
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i think esato goes through cycles ive been bored with it for a while so havent been coming as much but i keep an eye on it as its done this before then comes full circle and get interesting again.
i think with the k750 been out and a few bugs and some good experiences with it it will start to get lively again
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Posted: 2005-05-22 20:29:35
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Certainly there are quite a few valid points made in this thread. Though I consider myself to be relatively new at esato I have seen far too much rubbish and injustice get into esato. So scotsboy i do see your points and i do believe they are valid but I am afraid there is very little we can do about it. You see we could delete posts and lock threads and so on but persons on this planet are very bad minded and are far too determined to stopped by these methods. We could suspend or ban members but who is goin to stop them from rejoining as someone else? So all in all esato will be stuck like this for a very long time. ( Indeed it is very much like friction. You cant get rid of it completely but you can reduce it by aplying some oil. And that is your point right scotyboy? That we need to apply more oil?)
Just one final point. Concerning the removal of post numbers I dont think that is a very good idea considering that I (and I'm sure quite a few other members) find it especially useful in the mobiles for sale section when we are determining whether or not a seller is trust worthy. cheers
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Posted: 2005-05-22 20:31:07
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@marik
You have no idea how right you actually are ...
Incidentally, Mik's excellent thread for rating sellers and buyers is worth a look if you haven't seen it.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 20:35:00
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OK, fair enough scotsboyuk - your contributions to the site are well known and I don't for one minute question your motives - i believe you to have the site's very best interests at heart.
But why not do what I suggested, define what you believe the ethos of the site should be. Only then can you tell where it is that things need changing.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 21:51:45
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@Wuz
Simple: a mobile phone forum dedicated to SE phones that also incorporates other brands and non-mobile related discussions as a sideline. A forum where people are free to request help or express opinions without being harangued by a mob. A forum where threads don't degenerate into petty squabbling on a frequent basis. A forum where members don't constantly question the moderator's actions. A forum where people don't feel the need to make posts just for the sake of posting. A forum where rubbish and tosh doesn't rule the day.
In short, a Sony Ericsson mobile phone forum with a general chat area, not a general chat forum with a Sony Ericsson mobile phone area!
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Posted: 2005-05-22 22:30:46
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Scots, i think that sums it up nicely...
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Posted: 2005-05-22 22:46:13
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