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On 2005-07-10 17:53:17, scotsboyuk wrote:
@absin
Look back over your posts and you shall see where you have tried to threadjack.
I've read tham all. I did write them. I wouldn't ask if I knew.
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Everyone is political, we all have opinions. I try my best to leave politics out of my participation on Esato, it is a mobile phone forum after all. It seems perfectly sensible to me that if one wishes to discuss such issues one does not go to a mobile phone forum.
I think that many of us don't come here to discuss politics (I arrived when I bought my T68i) but that some of us are very aware that actions have consequences and all things are interconnected.
Remember the adverts on TV before the General Election "I don't do politics"? Politics, for better or worse, is everywhere.
I do agree, it can be rather tedious when it's the same old stuff that comes up every time (and I'm someone who's interested in it).
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:02:22
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@absin
We both know exactly what you were trying to do and I'm quite sure anyone with eyes in their head can too. Hence I shan't further dilute this thread by replying to that particular point.
I have no problem with politics/religion being discussed where it can be discussed in a civil manner that does not lead to flaming or petty squabbles. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the norm, rather it would be the exception to the rule.
The point still remains; why come to a mobile phone forum to discuss politics? I am a member of a political forum too (www.projectevil.com) where I go if I wish to discuss such issues. If I have a political question to ask or debate my first thought is not of Esato. Funnily enough I tend to think of Esato as somewhere I can go to learn about and discuss mobile phones.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:08:01
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On 2005-07-10 18:02:19, gbrooks3 wrote:
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Why are you creating an argument here? Scotsboy was making a very valid and respectful point. Don't undermine the thread with a stupid argument over nothing. The truth is, politics have become so embedded in everyone (a good thing) that when a contrary point to ones opinion is explicated it is bound to create unrest.
All I'm saying is that anything can be political and when you have no politics, you have nothing.
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Plus, if you have a problem with scotsboy why not pm him? Its stupid posts that turn good forums in a place only fit for rubbish.
I actually enjoy his posts as he's consistently coherent. He uses apostrophies and stuff.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:13:05
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On 2005-07-10 18:08:01, scotsboyuk wrote:
@absin
We both know exactly what you were trying to do and I'm quite sure anyone with eyes in their head can too. Hence I shan't further dilute this thread by replying to that particular point.
I DON'T see it. Honestly.
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I have no problem with politics/religion being discussed where it can be discussed in a civil manner that does not lead to flaming or petty squabbles. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the norm, rather it would be the exception to the rule.
I'm not disagreeing with that.
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The point still remains; why come to a mobile phone forum to discuss politics? I am a member of a political forum too (www.projectevil.com) where I go if I wish to discuss such issues. If I have a political question to ask or debate my first thought is not of Esato. Funnily enough I tend to think of Esato as somewhere I can go to learn about and discuss mobile phones.
I'm not sure people do come here to discuss politics, merely that politics naturally comes up when discussing life. As does religion. Certainly, when I want to learn and discuss political issues, Esato isn't my obvious choice.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:16:47
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On 2005-07-10 18:13:05, absinthebri wrote:
All I'm saying is that anything can be political and when you have no politics, you have nothing.
That's a valid point,
in the real world, but this isn't the real world. This is a mobile phone forum. The last time I checked, discussion of the situation in Iraq wasn't a prequisite for discussing SE's latest models or how to connect to the internet through your handset.
Mobile phone issues for mobile phone forums; political issues for political forums.
If we must have them here then I think they need to be 'policed' more heavily. Keep them inside their own little threads and away from everyone else.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:18:23
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On 2005-07-10 18:18:23, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2005-07-10 18:13:05, absinthebri wrote:
All I'm saying is that anything can be political and when you have no politics, you have nothing.
That's a valid point,
in the real world, but this isn't the real world. This is a mobile phone forum. The last time I checked, discussion of the situation in Iraq wasn't a prequisite for discussing SE's latest models or how to connect to the internet through your handset.
Mobile phone issues for mobile phone forums; political issues for political forums.
If we must have them here then I think they need to be 'policed' more heavily. Keep them inside their own little threads and away from everyone else.
I agree, this is a mobile phone forum and its primary purpose should be the discussion of mobile phones and related issues. I don't have an issue with that.
But unless that's all that's permitted, I'm not sure how we can proceed.
People wish, for example, to offer condolences when there is a disaster or attrocity. I'm thinking not only of the events of last Thursday but of, say, the tsunami last December. Other people will naturally want to look at what brought about the events that took place, who may be to blame. etc. This seems natural and to have a non-political environment is to have a sterile environment.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:27:16
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On 2005-07-10 18:16:47, absinthebri wrote:
I'm not sure people do come here to discuss politics, merely that politics naturally comes up when discussing life. As does religion. Certainly, when I want to learn and discuss political issues, Esato isn't my obvious choice.
this pretty much sums up my point of view and the thoughts I was expressing in my first post of this thread
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On 2005-07-10 18:08:01, scotsboyuk wrote:
The point still remains; why come to a mobile phone forum to discuss politics? I am a member of a political forum too (www.projectevil.com) where I go if I wish to discuss such issues. If I have a political question to ask or debate my first thought is not of Esato. Funnily enough I tend to think of Esato as somewhere I can go to learn about and discuss mobile phones.
I certainly wouldn't come to Esato specifically to discuss politics, religion, aviation, massage travel, frequent flyer clubs, cars I drive, watches I wear etc etc but these are all topics (and more) that I have participated in as a member of the Esato community and to be honest I have little time to spend on other forums so I'm happy to have a bit of non mobile related social chat here
so really, this topic seems not to be to disallow the political or religious topics, since clearly they are unavoidable in many circumstances, but infact the argument is to try and make members more aware that these subjects do become highly controversial given the broad spectrum of Esato members and as such should be approached a little more lightly and with less antagonism than they currently are, and if that is the real intention of this thread then I can only agree
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:32:53
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@absin
I'm glad you made mention of that actually because it allows me to make a very important point.
Non-mobile related issues should of course be discussed, there is after all non-mobile forums here. They add an extra level of depth to this forum, which makes it both a fun and interesting place to visit.
However, what isn't desirable is when we have issues, which lead to flaming, anger, bitterness, recrimination and division. Now of course this can happen in non-political/religious threads, but of course the political/religious threads themselves seem to have this fate as a birthright!
If we actually look at the thread created to honour the victims of the London attacks, it has gone from that to descending into petty squabbling and anger at various points. Such threads are fine in principle, but when they threaten to degenerate into such rediculous behaviour the moderators should immediately step in to stop that from happening.
Reasoned, calm, civil and respectful debate, but when it turns then it is time to end it. Lock or delete such threads. If such threads are moderated strictly then gradually that tendency to degenerate will go because people will know that if it does the debate is over. Simple and effective.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:40:36
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On 2005-07-10 18:32:53, masseur wrote:
so really, this topic seems not to be to disallow the political or religious topics, since clearly they are unavoidable in many circumstances, but infact the argument is to try and make members more aware that these subjects do become highly controversial given the broad spectrum of Esato members and as such should be approached a little more lightly and with less antagonism than they currently are, and if that is the real intention of this thread then I can only agree
As I said before, persoanlly I would prefer such discussions banned completely, but of course I don't make the decisions.
If political/religious discussions are to take place on Esato then I feel there needs to be stronger moderation of them. By nipping flaming and ange rin the bud before they are allowed to develop will create a pattern that people will recognise i.e. either stay civil or you don't get the opportunity to debate because your thread will be locked/deleted.
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Posted: 2005-07-10 18:46:44
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knock Knock!...Can someone help me with my k750 please?
Oh sorry i thought i was in the mobile phone forum?
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