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On 2009-06-01 13:14:37, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2009-05-31 23:27:29, Prom1 wrote:
On 2009-05-29 12:18:00, jj03 wrote:
no 3.5 jack. . No buy. . Next...
Really? Ok ... Find me another device that uses OMAP 3430 that you're willing to use on GSM ....
Omnia HD/i8910
PalmPre - oh sorry that is exclusive in the USA on CDMA = stupid Palm; keep loosing money.
N95 - all iterations
Samsung i7710
Samsung i8510 INNOV8.
Any others??!!
And if you're wondering the performance ...
On 2009-05-31 22:57:29, Prom1 wrote:
Consider the ARMv7 Cortex-A8 cpu core the Satio is using! For once SE choose right!
http://a site.com/news/009/05/sony_ericsson_satio_demo_videos.htm
Great PowerVR SGX 2D/3D GPU from Imagination Technology incorporated into even greater Texas Instrument's (TI) OMAP 3 together wiht the fully programmable VGP vertex processor core, FPU (floating point unit) and Superscalar 600-800Mhz ARM Cortex-A8 RISC core [this technology is capable of up to 1Ghz ppl] giving it at least 3 times better graphic performance over the convential ARM11 cpu's that Nokia uses in their touch devices (currently 5800XM & N97).
To give you an idea of the application performance of the ARM11 ask anyone that has used many S60 devices and then used the E71 ... they'll tell you menu's are considerably faster and applications run in tandem (even background) flawlessly and considerably faster than most S60 devices. THe N85 also uses the same ARM11 369Mhz cpu from Freescale. But audio/video encoding/decoding performance is not as good as the N95. N85 does just fine for games though.
If you loved the Pre's transitionaly videos or have seen what Kastor UI's can do (you've already tasted a hint with SE's design of that in the pre-release videos; smooth no!!?) then your ready for a real Touch-Smartphone.
And this ridiculous nothing that UIQ is superior to S60 3rd or 5th edition is JUST preference. There is a REASON it died! It has nothing to do with SE's development nor with Motorola's push in using it - but I'll bet its a part of it. Its because there were TOO FEW manufacturers making TOO FEW devices with UIQ; this leads to less products - or applications being sold for it - and halts its development! This is the reason why UIQ died and I'll bet it wasn't worth it to small developers or "indy" developers (those students doing it for class projects or for themeselves and sharing it for free) was having difficulty doing so. Sure the menu structure may have been familiar to you more than myself but I don't see ANY benefit UIQ has over S60 5th Edition ... nothing.
Having used UIQ3 for some time AND having used S60v5 since February I have to say I disagree with your observation that UIQ3 is only better by preference.
BTW OMAP 3430 is ONLY any good if you how to work with it it, and given
's record for producing poorly written processor management sw, operating system and GUI's, I would not bet too much of your hard earned cash on it being a great installation on "Satio"!
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2009-06-01 12:19 ]
Well you DID say that you've used UIQ for some time & ONLY S60v5th edition since February - I'd say your not even qualified to make a comment on UIQ being superior.
You also said that SE's lack of prowess in poorly written cpu management sw, operating system (note this is UIQ you're refering too here), and GUI's ... you would not bet my hard earned cash on it being a great installation on Satio.
^ what you're failing to realize is all shots of the GUI show S60 5th Edition. It will use a unified OS from Symbian-Foundation (we're all aware of this by now) - and they just need to put on the same GUI layer they've been using for the past 3 mths or so. And from the Videos I've seen of it running on S60 5th Edition - which Symbian^2 OS will run on version 5.1 - I'd say its VERY fast and responsive; giving a few bugs in not responding to input. Yes there are not many videos of the OS in detail but its a lot faster than current implementation.
OMAP 3/4 series is very fast, powerful and power efficient. ONLY Symbian can utilize ALL capabilities along with multimedia at their fullest due to it having the first developments for it from early engineering stages. All API's are going to be open in Symbian^2 or later versions, so SE will know what to do with he OS.
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Posted: 2009-06-04 15:47:06
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On 2009-06-04 15:47:06, Prom1 wrote:
On 2009-06-01 13:14:37, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2009-05-31 23:27:29, Prom1 wrote:
On 2009-05-29 12:18:00, jj03 wrote:
no 3.5 jack. . No buy. . Next...
Really? Ok ... Find me another device that uses OMAP 3430 that you're willing to use on GSM ....
Omnia HD/i8910
PalmPre - oh sorry that is exclusive in the USA on CDMA = stupid Palm; keep loosing money.
N95 - all iterations
Samsung i7710
Samsung i8510 INNOV8.
Any others??!!
And if you're wondering the performance ...
On 2009-05-31 22:57:29, Prom1 wrote:
Consider the ARMv7 Cortex-A8 cpu core the Satio is using! For once SE choose right!
http://a site.com/news/009/05/sony_ericsson_satio_demo_videos.htm
Great PowerVR SGX 2D/3D GPU from Imagination Technology incorporated into even greater Texas Instrument's (TI) OMAP 3 together wiht the fully programmable VGP vertex processor core, FPU (floating point unit) and Superscalar 600-800Mhz ARM Cortex-A8 RISC core [this technology is capable of up to 1Ghz ppl] giving it at least 3 times better graphic performance over the convential ARM11 cpu's that Nokia uses in their touch devices (currently 5800XM & N97).
To give you an idea of the application performance of the ARM11 ask anyone that has used many S60 devices and then used the E71 ... they'll tell you menu's are considerably faster and applications run in tandem (even background) flawlessly and considerably faster than most S60 devices. THe N85 also uses the same ARM11 369Mhz cpu from Freescale. But audio/video encoding/decoding performance is not as good as the N95. N85 does just fine for games though.
If you loved the Pre's transitionaly videos or have seen what Kastor UI's can do (you've already tasted a hint with SE's design of that in the pre-release videos; smooth no!!?) then your ready for a real Touch-Smartphone.
And this ridiculous nothing that UIQ is superior to S60 3rd or 5th edition is JUST preference. There is a REASON it died! It has nothing to do with SE's development nor with Motorola's push in using it - but I'll bet its a part of it. Its because there were TOO FEW manufacturers making TOO FEW devices with UIQ; this leads to less products - or applications being sold for it - and halts its development! This is the reason why UIQ died and I'll bet it wasn't worth it to small developers or "indy" developers (those students doing it for class projects or for themeselves and sharing it for free) was having difficulty doing so. Sure the menu structure may have been familiar to you more than myself but I don't see ANY benefit UIQ has over S60 5th Edition ... nothing.
Having used UIQ3 for some time AND having used S60v5 since February I have to say I disagree with your observation that UIQ3 is only better by preference.
BTW OMAP 3430 is ONLY any good if you how to work with it it, and given
's record for producing poorly written processor management sw, operating system and GUI's, I would not bet too much of your hard earned cash on it being a great installation on "Satio"!
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2009-06-01 12:19 ]
Well you DID say that you've used UIQ for some time & ONLY S60v5th edition since February - I'd say your not even qualified to make a comment on UIQ being superior.
You also said that SE's lack of prowess in poorly written cpu management sw, operating system (note this is UIQ you're refering too here), and GUI's ... you would not bet my hard earned cash on it being a great installation on Satio.
^ what you're failing to realize is all shots of the GUI show S60 5th Edition. It will use a unified OS from Symbian-Foundation (we're all aware of this by now) - and they just need to put on the same GUI layer they've been using for the past 3 mths or so. And from the Videos I've seen of it running on S60 5th Edition - which Symbian^2 OS will run on version 5.1 - I'd say its VERY fast and responsive; giving a few bugs in not responding to input. Yes there are not many videos of the OS in detail but its a lot faster than current implementation.
OMAP 3/4 series is very fast, powerful and power efficient. ONLY Symbian can utilize ALL capabilities along with multimedia at their fullest due to it having the first developments for it from early engineering stages. All API's are going to be open in Symbian^2 or later versions, so SE will know what to do with he OS.
@Prom1
Mate if it takes YOU longer than a month to become "Qualified" to express an opinion on an OS you are clearly not the fast learner I am
I made the point that what I have seen so far from
on this device is S60v5! IF
change the sw I will make a comment on that IF and when we see it.
Are you a major
shareholder or do you just not like people giving an opinion on
that does not support your boundless faith the them?
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Posted: 2009-06-05 10:13:30
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i want to buy this phone until they sell it...
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Posted: 2009-06-07 08:27:59
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@ prom1. . Wtf has wanting a 3.5 jack got to do with omap3? Lmao. . It can't be that hard to implement can it. . My n95 8gig has one, albeit in a retarded place. As does my n82..no need to get a semi on.
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Posted: 2009-06-07 09:22:00
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http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]nes/overview/satio?lc=en&cc=gb
"The Satio is expected to be available within 6 months."
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Posted: 2009-06-07 10:17:36
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Wow really nice
This message was posted from a SGH-X660
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Posted: 2009-06-07 11:14:16
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I think that's for the most part the
main problem with
They announce a phone (two examples: SE X1, SE Satio) and do not release it until
MONTHS later, whilst Samsung, for example, announced 1 week ago the Pixon 12
AND the M8920 (not sure if model name released yet or not)...
Simply put,
just can't compete with the pure clout of these other manufacturers... lest we forget,
is only around 6 years old as a company (i think it was 2002 if I'm not mistaken) and only about 4-5 since they've been properly hitting out phones (2004/5 IIRC)... As they are such a small company (by sheer employee size, they are reported to be smaller than motorola) they cannot compete with bringing out such a large range of phone
sustainably.
As much as I do like
, I do think there policy of bringing out a lot of phones really quickly to obtain market penetration as opposed to actually creating and releasing revolutionary handsets (they announce ideas but are trumped very quickly as other companies think, yeh why not and they release it within a month or so) and in the end, although this has worked
so far, as much as I don't want it to happen, I do believe that within 3-5 years we will see the end of SE...
They lost
A LOT of money on the X1 due to shipping it out to HTC and lack of materials etc., and I personally think the only successful route for SE to survive is to create a
top-of-the-range in-house design & production team - at present, for top-end devices (and maybe others, I'm not sure) SE are simply shipping out to other companies, and there will come a point where the cost of this will lead to SE simply calling an end to SonyEricsson the manufacturer...
What do you guys think?
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Posted: 2009-06-08 04:30:36
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IMO, in top end the Xperia was the only one to be ODmd to HTC. The other phones have been SE built.Well, this system has been very much prevalent with all companies who have a vast product portfolio. The Xperia was SE's first move into the Wm sector and I would rather have an experienced manufacturer make the hardware rather than having SE bring out a blotched version of its own.
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Posted: 2009-06-08 06:25:46
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i think we can continue discussions on this phone (now Satio) in its dedicated thread. or if mods can somehow join it.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=185862
btw mods, the satio thread needs to be moved to the Symbian section
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Posted: 2009-06-08 15:48:53
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