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@joebmc, i agree mate.... the other 7 should stand up and take control of those bringing a very bad name to islam.....
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:15:38
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Should I have stopped Tony Blair from being complicit in the murder of 100,000 Iraqis?
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:17:17
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stopping him would be rather difficult mate but if you disagreed with him then you should do your best to make your feelings known and heard.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:19:47
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joe, for once in this thread, stop thinking like a person who's against Islam and like someone who's not against it. (note: I didn't say with it)
Im not against islam, no more than i am any religion.
Could you stop thinking like a person who's not a muslim?
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:20:34
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but does the muslim world want from denmark etc? the pp l go on the streets, shout around, shoot with mashineguns the danish flag and the pic of the premier ( thought i drop out the tv through the closed window when i saw that ) what do they want? isnt an apologise enough? should they became suicide or what?
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:25:45
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thats a good point about how the other 7 should stop the bad 3 , but from what i see its the other way round , 7 are bad and 3 are good. i think maybe the good muslims should protest against all the bad things that the extremists are doing maybe?
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:26:56
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you see in this case, take those three and multiply them, you can't stop an angry group of people.
When there are riots in the street would you go to someone and say stop?
and its funny how people thing a group of Muslims represent the whole 1.6 Billion out there.
People say "the good ones should stop the bad from giving a bad rep" Guys, the good don't need to prove anything except to God. We've got good 'ole USA to help show us who's good or bad.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:40:18
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On 2006-02-09 16:50:20, amnesia wrote:
they use words like behead and annihale because the Arabic language for example is direct and passionate. For example, we dont have the word "Like", we only have 'Love', and dont forget, English is not the first language. So the words they use are what is closest to what they feel they mean.
The placards I saw the protestors use in London were written in English. Even where that has not been the case I think the argument you give is at best weak. One may have to substitute a word when translating, however, I would doubt whether one has to use a word like 'behead' or 'slay' if one is merely meaning that someone should be punished.
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When my Japanese girlfriend says "It is 'the' delicious" (of course I correct her) but she doesn't even mean it's delicious, she just means it tastes nice not that it's extremely delicious.
That is within the context of saying that something tastes nice, delicious being a word that has that meaning. Saying someone should be punished for something is not the same thing as calling for people to be killed.
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To everyone. I've seen quite a few posts saying "Why don't Muslims stand up?" "Why don't we see good news" and stuff like that.
It's simple, you DON'T watch Arabic, Turkish, any Islamic nation's news.
Can you please point out the mass demonstrations that have been held and documented by such media sources that have been against Islamic extremist violence then?
Interestingly enough, some Islamic leaders who have been commenting upon extremist violence seem to be able to find a rather delicate balance of language to use in contradiction to your above point concerning the use of language.
If we omit possible protests in Islamic countries that we might not have heard of, where have the protests been from Muslims in the West that we would certainly have heard of? When Ken Bigley was murdered in Iraq I didn't see Islamic groups marching through London like we have seen over these cartoons. Admittedly we didn't see any major protests over Mr Bigley's killing, however, it is still pertinent to the discussion of Muslims opposing Islamic extremists.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:40:20
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7 regular people / the prime minister...... not really the same is it?
The prime minister (youd hope) should have the nations interest at heart....
The 7 regular people are people like our selves with no real power.... the only power we have is power in numbers (majority)... but what im saying is that when you have 3 (as you put it) who are killing etc.... it kind of makes a mockery of the other severn who are protesting in peace.....
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:42:04
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@scots, you seem to totally be misunderstanding what I'm saying.
And I'm feeling to sick to argue right now.
I explained the facts as they are, if you dont agree with me, I honestly don't care.
You KNOW I don't have anything against you, but you pick at people's comments as if your opinion is absolute.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems that you really take your opinion as fact. If you want to question my logic, feel free, but make it clear in your posts that you are trying to understand, not that I'm wrong, when it's just your opinion.
Finally, You've just asked me to point out mass demonstrations.
Why do I have to? (I will search now, despite having the biggest migrane on earth)
Asking me to prove myself is saying that I'm a liar until I prove that I'm saying the truth.
God says "Trust until they give you a reason to lose that trust".
And again regarding language. Scots, you of all people, if a leader knows the english language properly, does it mean that ALL Muslim's need to know it. You've just proven the point that people associate one person with the whole group. If one speaks well, the others do too, if one makes a threat, the others do too, if one is an extremist, they all are too.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 17:44:18
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