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who is talking about lens? you? certainly not me. dont bring the lens into this. you said optical zoom improves video quality which is wrong, plain and simple.
Can sombody please correct him??
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Posted: 2007-06-06 13:07:10
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NO, don't correct him. Let him post. His posts are the funniest and most non-sensical that I have read on here to date. Let's use him as entertainment.
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Posted: 2007-06-06 14:34:38
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@sapp...,
I bet it's a false-flag mission - plank... Is really a Nokia-plant, making such outrageous claims...
Zzzzzzzzzz, ooops, just fell asleep; this is getting tedious
maggflodd
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Posted: 2007-06-06 15:07:38
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Maybe we are giving too much credit. He could simply be inept. Either way, I think this thread is about done. It was a good one though.
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Posted: 2007-06-06 16:45:14
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In a way optical zoom (zoomed-in) does increase the detail quality in a picture/movie compared to when zoomed-out.
Of course it happens at the expense of the viewing angle.
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Posted: 2007-06-06 17:47:17
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dogman and sapporobaby I have said nothing in my posts that deserves me to be treated like an idiot. I am simply presenting my opinion, just because you don't happen to agree doesn't make you right, it's just a difference of opinion. You both are acting like you have somehow PROOF that your position is correct and any one who argues differently must be blind and stupid. You are also getting irratated with me continually presenting my argument, yet you guys keep arguing your point with emotionalism ("SE betrayed me"??)? All I do is try and give more reasons for my logic. Is that not what a discussion is about? I can't believe you are pissed off with me for just expressing my point of view?

I've tried to make my points, but all you do is get defensive and react as if it's a wholly non-sensical idea that anything could compete with s60. I will not be cowed from participating in this thread just because you don't agree with my ideas. I've accepted your points where I think they are valid, for example I accept that SE have poor MAC (and PC) support. Even on PC front, disc2phone is the stupidest piece of shite, almost as bad as OpenMG or SonicStage. I also accept that SE are behind the eightball (Nokia) on wireless connectivity (umts and wifi both). But when I try and mention Nokia lack of support for touchscreen I get laughed down by those who don't use TS and think it irrelevant.

btw, please DON'T use the "we're not the only people who think this way" argument, it is a sign of desparation. I know other people agree with you, but I am by no means alone either. On the issue of reliability do you think I will just agree "oh yeah SE are crap" when I've never had any reliability issues with them? Do you think I will fall over in love with Nokia when you say they are super reliable, when the first Nokia s60 phone I've ever owned is a crash monkey? TBH, I think SE and Nokia BOTH make reliable world beating phones. That's why I continue posting to this thread, because nothing that has been said yet convinces me that SE don't make great phones. I challenge you to prove otherwise to me through argument and not petty judgements of intelligence or sulky stamping of feet.

On JP8 =JP7+1???? wtf are you talking about? JP7 is pretty good, and added multi-tasking is rather an advanced idea for a non-smartphone wouldn't you think? Or is multi-tasking only allowed in a real smartphone? Instead of just telling me how stupid I must be to think that java could possibly add smartphone compteting features to a non-smartphone and actually give some examples of smartphone features that will never be the domain of java? That would be the intelligent, discussion improving response.

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[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2007-06-09 01:35 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-09 02:00:42
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Dogmann you make a serious mistake here. I NEVER ONCE said anything like "SE are the best most innovative company in the known world they are class leading in everything they do and they always do right " I'm arguing that SE make great phones, NOT that they are better than anybody else or never have any problems.

Nokia have problems too but I am not using those to argue that Nokia make shit phones.

It is not I who am one-eyed about this business. I quite like most Nokia phones these days. But I just don't get why SE is so repugnant to you. And to be honest you haven't made any good argument as to why SE is so bad they deserve the claim that they don't make great phones anymore. Some technologies they don't support as much as YOU would like. Some technologies that are unimportant to YOU they suport more than Nokia do. To me that just means each manufacturer has it's strengths and weaknesses. It doesn't prove any claim that one is better than the other. If you don't like SE phones anymore than why not just use Nokia? Does there have to be this sense of bitterness against SE?
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Posted: 2007-06-09 02:12:40
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Thank YOU Goldenface, that is exactly the point I am trying to make. For me, that is leading edge, because it finds a way to give the customer what they want (and affordability with features is more important to many people than the word "smartphone")

The JAVA platform can grow to be better and better, and perhaps soon there will be no discernable difference with JAVA and smartphones other than when it crashes, there is less likelyhood of crashing the entire phone. (since it's hardware independent of the main processor).

Eventually you could have a very minimalist phone os, very stable with no extra's, and a powerful JAVA platform providing all the fancy stuff.
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Posted: 2007-06-09 02:22:05
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java is a hardware independent platform. thats why all phones have java technologies perhaps it's a ultralow-end phone like nokia 11xx or SE J series(except J300). but SE mostly aquires most of the new technologies offered by java. and JP-8 is the best example of that
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Posted: 2007-06-09 03:48:58
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Hi Max,

Examples of bad SE phones K800 with the EROM problems that required being taken to a Service Centre other SE phones also with WSOD and of course not forgetting UIQ3 realeased in a no way ready for public consumption that nearly a year on is still waiting for the next all fixing Firmware and that still leaks 50 % of the available RAM within a week to 10 days and people hoping they get the P1's OS so they can have a decent and functional home screen. Also i have said numerous times that if a touchscreen is important to you that is fair enough it is you that says it is the be all and end of all of smart phone which it most certainly isn't and SE only have 3 of these anyway and what a disaster they have been although they have got better over the course of nearly a Year. Not of course all the problems that people also have with the PC Suite either not working at all or giving multiple duplicate entry's and still awaiting compatibility with Vista and still not being able to successfully use the back up and restore either.

I accept buying leading edge devices carries some risk but to wait as long as it has taken SE to resolve these issues is wholly unacceptable i don't expect to have to use workarounds to get my device to function even at a basic level for a prolonged period of time.

Your ridiculous claim that that Java implementation is a serious challenge to S60, the lack of HSDPA being of very little importance. Which strangely enough is now rumoured to be announced in the next announcement of new SE devices so i suppose all of sudden now SE are finally implementing it in their devices it will have importance and value.

As to SE betrayed me well of this the facts speak for themselves i bought and paid good money for a SE M600 it was not fit for purpose not even close and after 2 firmware upgrades i could see it wasn't going to happen any time soon either which has been vindicated by where it is now nearly a year later and the market has shown just how bad these devices are by their price. Not of course forgetting the wall of silence that came from SE after there release that to me was a betrayal of my trust and faith in them and i can assure you none of these things ever happened when they were Ericsson this is Sony's way of dealing with problems they play Ostrich.

You just keep repeating the same old justifications as proof that we are wrong and i never said SE don't make any good devices or that Nokia make perfect ones either. Only that there are to many SE devices that suffer from serious faults and that the time it takes for them to be resolved is not quick enough. Also your claim of Java giving affordability and being nearly as good as a smart phone is again not backed up by facts the K800 was virtually the same price as a N73 both have excellent camera's one is better at low light pictures due to a Xenon flash but that is all it has the other is a fully fledged smart phone so where is the extended value of Java in that?.


The reason i posted my sarcastic comments was you were not acknowledging that SE is lacking in putting the latest Tech in their handsets and just saying they don't need it and as i said i was bored of repeating the same points and it always be dismissed with the same justifications from you. Well SE are now due to make announcement on the 14th June which includes some HSDPA devices at last lets just hope this next announcement actually brings something exciting to us not like the 8th May which was extremely disappointing IMO.

Also complaining about your N70 which has always been acknowledged as having shortcomings and is a very old device now as it runs S60 2nd Edition is hardly being realistic either is it.


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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-06-11 01:30 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-09 04:26:23
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