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I fully agree with Vlam.
Organizing a society should have nothing to do with any kind of philosophy or religion. It is the only way to ensure freedom of speech and thinking.
And killing people because WE find they are guilty is a murder.
Not to mention what evil-intentioned people can do with such rules or laws for their own interest.
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Posted: 2004-06-22 00:40:23
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I also agree with Vlamm, it is absolutely vital that the State is seperate from religion, whatever that religion might be. Correct me if I am wrong, but England and Wales are unique in Europe, in that the State is not seperate from the Church, England and Wales can be said to be weak theocracies!
I am not in favour of the EU constitution and I feel that it will be strongly rejected in this country at any rate, but if we are to have one then I should certainly like to see no mention of any religion in it. The EU is, for all its faults, a good institution, in that it has laws to safeguard the rights of the individual and to protect freedom. If we should start to elevate one religion above others then we would be attacking those rights and that freedom. People are freed to choose whichever religion (or lack of one) they want and the State should have absolutely nothing to do with such a choice. Europe has sufferred for centuries because of religious differences, often dragging non-Europeans into the trouble too; I for one feel that it is time we put such things firmly behind us and concentrated on a peaceful Europe.
As for the issue of the dealth penalty, I really am aghast that such a thing should even be suggested. As has been stated before, we humans are not capable of making that judgement. Executing someone does nothing to correct the wrong and merely causes more sufferring and anguish, we would do much better to try and prevent crimes from happening in the first place. As many of you will probably already know, capital punishment does absolutely nothing to prevent or deter crime in those countries that have it, and, as has been stated previously, there is always the chance that an innocent man is put to death.
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Posted: 2004-06-22 00:59:42
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I'm all for the separation of church and state as well, I wouldn't like the idea of any religion getting a mention in the constitution, espeically as we all live in a much smaller, more multi-cultural world now.
@boto - I'm here!
Didn't realise my presence was missed.
One question - do we think of ourselves as Europeans now, or as British/French/Dutch/Czech/etc etc? I don't think I've heard a single person in this thread saying they look forward to a single European superstate!
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Posted: 2004-06-23 00:38:32
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Speaking for myself, I am Dutch in the first place. I may be European by reasons of geography, but I don't
feel more European today than i did when I lived outside Europe.... the concept means little to me, although it is slowly growing, not because anything Europe has doen to improve awarenes, but because the world as a whole is becoming a more grim place and being part of a bigger unity (europe) may be a necessity over being part of a small unity (my country)
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Posted: 2004-06-23 00:49:45
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Think everyone feels what he and she is ! Now it looks that everyone from Europe should feel like a member of big unit. I personally think that 4 or 5 generation ahead will lose their national identity. :-l
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Posted: 2004-06-23 07:21:47
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I sincerely hope that is not the case.
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Posted: 2004-06-23 11:27:23
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it won't be in our lifetime anyway
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Posted: 2004-06-23 12:11:23
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A European superstate isn't in the best interests of Europeans in my opinion, we are much better off as we are at the moment.
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Posted: 2004-06-23 12:57:21
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I, probably like a lot of people here in the UK, would like to see an EU with close ties, like trading ties and ones that make movement of people and resources around without too much hassle, but not to the point where national sovereignty is compromised and countries are unable to, say, raise/lower taxes or interest rates without Brussels' say so.
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Posted: 2004-06-23 17:43:29
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@Sammy_boy
Hear hear!
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Posted: 2004-06-23 20:41:22
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