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H.H. the 16th Gyalwa Karmapa is spiritual leader of the Kagyu (Oral Tradition) school. H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama is spiritual leader of the Gelug (Tradition of Virtue) school. H.H, The Dalai Lama often states he is merely a simple monk and this is basically true - he holds no office in the school. H.H. The Panchen Lama is also of the Gelug school and has been kidnapped by the Chinese.
All Tibetan Buddhist accept the lineages and authority of all the Tibetan schools.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 19:46:41
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@absin
The Chinese would have been better leaving the Panchen Lama alone. Their actions only validate Buddhism as a threat to their regime.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 19:49:19
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On 2005-07-15 19:45:49, scotsboyuk wrote:
Do Muslims regard the Torah and the Bible as being equal to the Quoran if they are also the word of God?
Maybe the following can help:
Belief in Islam means
Belief in One God
belief in all of God's messengers
belief in all the books sent down to prophets of God. These books include Torah and Gospel. Only the Holy Quran exists in its original form, however. belief in the existence of angels
belief in the Day of Judgement, Life after Death, Heaven and Hell.
belief in the Divine Decree or Predestination, its good and its bad.
Muslims are those who declare that there is no deity except Allah (God) and that Muhammad (saw) is His messenger. They submit fully in obedience to Allah and mould their lives according to the teachings of the Holy Quran and prophet Muhammad.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 19:54:31
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@PeterKay
Do Muslims study the Torah or the Bible though?
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Posted: 2005-07-15 19:56:04
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No, but we believe that they are sent down to the earlier Prophets by God Alimighty. We only study the Holy Quran as it is the final scripture.
Chapter 48 Verse 29 says:
"Muhammad (saw) is the apostle of Allah (God). and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward."
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Posted: 2005-07-15 19:59:43
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On 2005-07-15 19:49:19, scotsboyuk wrote:
@absin
The Chinese would have been better leaving the Panchen Lama alone.
Indeed.
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Their actions only validate Buddhism as a threat to their regime.
It is, in as far as a people with a well-established social system (Theocracy) are not open to a new way of doing things (Communism).
Of course, the Chinese invasion and subsequent exiling of H.H. The Dalai Lama has had a silver lining in that the message of the Awakened One has been brought to the West in a very poerful way.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 20:00:43
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As the Tao Te Ching teaches us, the more one interferes, the more one fails.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2005-07-15 19:09 ]
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Posted: 2005-07-15 20:08:25
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@scot,
I think it depends in the school you go to,
I'm sure they probably misunderstood, but they do teach us about the other divine books.
Just very basic information at that.
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Posted: 2005-07-15 20:17:20
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A video of the last sermon can be found
HERE taken from 'The Message'. (Real Player format)
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Posted: 2005-07-15 20:21:06
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well, these were my results for @scot's religion survey, although i'm not sure i agree with the order they are all in (i always find those sort of multiple choice quizzes restrictive since none of them fully align with my beliefs).
1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (92%)
3. Liberal Quakers (90%)
4. Reform Judaism (77%)
5. Neo-Pagan (77%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (76%)
7. New Age (75%)
8. Orthodox Quaker (70%)
9. Hinduism (68%)
10. Theravada Buddhism (65%)
11. Bahá'í Faith (64%)
12. New Thought (59%)
13. Secular Humanism (55%)
14. Jainism (54%)
15. Scientology (53%)
16. Orthodox Judaism (52%)
17. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (51%)
18. Sikhism (51%)
19. Seventh Day Adventist (47%)
20. Islam (46%)
21. Taoism (44%)
22. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (43%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (43%)
24. Roman Catholic (43%)
25. Nontheist (33%)
26. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (30%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (20%)
only Catholics believe in the Pope as an over-reaching spiritual leader, since he is meant to be god's representative on earth. Protestant Christians generally believe in a more direct path to god through jesus.
@Peter: i have couple of questions.
1. Why are there words in brackets in your quotes? does it signify imprecise translation or something else?
2. if all the previous holy books are part of god's teaching, then wouldn't it make more sense to embrace that message in it's totality rather than just the "last chapter" as it were? i am looking at it from the point of view where the old testament is still fundamental to christian faith even though they started out as purely judaic scripture.
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