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On 2006-02-09 18:18:22, amnesia wrote:
pick at my posts all you like Scots.
You just said we don't need to post a disclaimer, but you feel like you have to let me know that this is an argument and your opinions are based on free speech...
The operative word being 'you' since no one else seems to have felt it necessary to raisse the issue.
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my argument is that you seem to be 'expecting' something from people, where it can be said that what someone expects and what they get is totally different.
This is a thread on an internet forum, I am not expecting anything from anyone. Expectation leads to disappointment, which can lead to resentment and anger. However, you seem to feel that I am expecting something, what that is I am not sure though.
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When my mother punishes me and I am angry, in Arabic, it would be called 'torture', it doesn't mean torture in English, that's just the word that's used.
Then that is the word used in Arabic, that still doesn't explain why those protesting in London, who one would imagine have a good grasp of English would choose to use words like 'behead' and 'slay'.
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Look at the word behead. In Islam, beheading was a common form of punishment to criminals (just as it was in England and France). So the word beheading is common. For example. If I want to be sarcastic, I say "Wow, it's like you want to behead me".
'Murder' is a common word, so is 'kill', so is 'shoot'. The context such words are used in is important; I might very well say something like 'I could murder a Guinness', but that use of the word is quite different to protesting in the street with a placard saying that someone should be murdered.
I don't believe that those people who were protesting in London, who have lived in Britain, would not be aware of the use of the English language. One does not need to be an English teacher to realise that waving a placard calling for people to be killed is not simply using a 'common' word.
Incidentally beheading was never a common form of punishment in England, it was mostly reserved for major crimes such as treason. Hanging was far more common.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-02-09 18:02 ]
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Posted: 2006-02-09 18:59:50
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"Then that is the word used in Arabic, that still doesn't explain why those protesting in London, who one would imagine have a good grasp of English would choose to use words like 'behead' and 'slay'. "
I'm saying it is a literal translation and to those people and others it is the closest word to their true definition.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:14:11
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i get what you mean - we have the same problem with punjabi, you can say somethin in punjabi and have it translated but it wont mean the same thing, sounds weird but unless u speak 2 languages u wont understand
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:17:19
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why why why this is crazy. it is a CARTOON get over it.is this how petty peoples lives are that they get offended by a pencil drawing.this is not to the whole of the islamic religon but some of you are out there.offended by a cartoon.Religon equals Hate.Religon is the cause of most problems.so screw all of the gods for your the problem.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:18:00
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how can you make such a statement - name me one problem that sikhism has caused?
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:21:10
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this is for all religons i an not pointing fingers at anyone religon.what has religon caused? look around brother.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:24:00
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he hasn't read through the thread, when he does he'll see that he's not contributed something we haven't talked about.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:25:39
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joe, for once in this thread, stop thinking like a person who's against Islam and like someone who's not against it.
I still have the right to a view just like someone who follows a religion.
I'm sure many Muslims are against others who worship gods other than allah/god.
What if i were against islam or against all religions for that matter.
What if i beleaved that religion was invented by man to soften the blow of deaf!
That is my freedom, that is my religion.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:26:29
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you already quoted and gave me a response in a previous thread. You could have added to there.
Everyone has freedom, everyone has rights.
Repeating it over and over again doesn't give you more freedom or rights.
If you are against Islam, in this thread you are going to be biased. That means debating with you is futile.
What I'm saying is that you are shaping your posts as general questions when it seems like you are just out to put Islam down.
THAT is my opinion, my right, my freedom of speech.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:32:16
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yes you got me.i would like to read through 80 pages on wap half of which wont display because i get the error for eninty to large. so yes i did not read all of the pages.does this mean i cant reply to this petty nonsense of a cartoon and the dumb @sses people who use it to fuel there hate.
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Posted: 2006-02-09 19:33:00
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