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@ Sammy
I wonder if so-called 'Christian' extremests have read the New Testament? How do they reconcile, say, Matthew chapter 5 with the invasion of Iraq?
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Posted: 2005-07-16 15:59:21
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On 2005-07-16 14:36:50, scotsboyuk wrote:
Also, does Islam advocate the policy of 'an eye for an eye'?
It does but only in a state of war and in the battlefield.
This is another article which you might be interested in:
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Posted: 2005-07-16 17:58:00
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The Satan, with whom i do Jihad daily will say the following which is mentioned in the Holy Quran Chapter 14 Verses 22 and 23:
And Satan will say when the matter is decided: "It was Allah (God)Who gave you a promise of Truth: I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with Allah (God). For wrong-doers there must be a grievous penalty."
But those who believe and work righteousness will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow,- to dwell therein for aye with the leave of their Lord. Their greeting therein will be: "Peace!"
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Posted: 2005-07-16 19:42:57
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@axxxr, to an extent it applies to the law as well.
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Posted: 2005-07-16 20:25:12
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On 2005-07-16 14:15:27, scotsboyuk wrote:
I suppose a valid question would be what justification they find in Islam for their actions though. They appear to root their beliefs and actions in Islam. What is it that they are using to do that?
Some people seem to find justification in their "Christianity" for invading two sovereign nations (one of which happens to have the world's second largest oil reserves - a desperately needed commodity by the invaders) and murder 100,000 innocent civilians. 'Islamic' 'terrorists' have a long way to go before they match that level of atrocity.
Perhaps the 'Christians' do it because they hate Islamic values and the Islamic way of life?
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Posted: 2005-07-16 20:32:38
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@scotsboyuk
Where do this terrorist form this terror act?? Definately not from Islam.. Its just the built of Hate and Anger... Yes they are an "Islam" faith.. but they are not pure in a way... coz they followed the devil to kill others... thus Islam religion has no link with this terrorist.. its just from their twisted mind.. and hate..
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Posted: 2005-07-16 21:34:29
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Absolutely true @02.
A little information on the character and manners of the Holy Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him). Main reason for me mentioning the following is because not many non-muslims know about the Holy Prophet and his way of life.
The Holy Prophet (saw) was the most patient among men, the bravest, the best judge, and one who pardoned most. His hand did not touch any strange woman. He was the greatest charitable man. He did not pass a single night hoarding any dirham or dinar. Whenever any excess money came to him and if he did not then get anyone to accept it as charity, he did not return home till he gave it to the poor and the needy. He did not store up for more than a year the provision of his family members which Allah was pleased to give him. He used to take one fifth of what easily came to him out of dates and wheat. What remained in excess, he used to give in charity. He used to give away in charity to one who begged anything of him, even out of his stored up provision.
He used to repair his shoes, join his wives in their labours and cut meat with them. He was the most shy among men and could not stare at anyone for long. He accepted invitation of slaves and free men and presentation of even a cup of milk. He did not use the properties of Zakat and used to accept the invitation of the widows and the poor. He used to speak the truth even though it was sometimes a cause of trouble to himself and his companions. He used to say: I Don't accept any invitation of any infidel. He used to bind stones in his bell for appeasing his hunger and eat whatever he got. He did not return any present and did not take precaution in any lawful food. If he got dried grapes in lieu of bread, he ate them. If he got baked meat, he ate it. He used to eat whatever he got of bread, wheat, sweets, and honey. He considered milk as sufficient if he did not get any other food. He used not to take food leaning against a pillow or upon a high table. Soles of his two feet served as his towel. He used not to eat bread consecutively for three days till he met Allah. it was a voluntary act on his part. He used to accept invitations of marriage, attend the sick and the diseased and attend the funerals. He was the most modest without pride and his tongue was most eloquent without prolongation of his speech.
More on The Holy Prophets manners and life can be found
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Another trait of his characters is that he used to salute first one whom he met with. He used to wait at a place where he was to meet a man. He used not to withdraw his hand from anybody till he first withdrew his hand. When he met with any of his companions, he used to handshake with him, hold his hand, enter his fingers unto his fingers and hold them firmly. He did not stand up or sit without remembering Allah. When anybody sat by him at the time of his prayer, he used to make it short and say to him: Have you got any need? When he fulfilled his need, he returned to his prayer.
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"Verily the Day of Sorting out is a thing appointed"[ This Message was edited by: PeterKay on 2005-07-16 20:47 ]
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Posted: 2005-07-16 21:41:46
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On 2005-07-16 20:32:38, absinthebri wrote:
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On 2005-07-16 14:15:27, scotsboyuk wrote:
I suppose a valid question would be what justification they find in Islam for their actions though. They appear to root their beliefs and actions in Islam. What is it that they are using to do that?
Some people seem to find justification in their "Christianity" for invading two sovereign nations (one of which happens to have the world's second largest oil reserves - a desperately needed commodity by the invaders) and murder 100,000 innocent civilians. 'Islamic' 'terrorists' have a long way to go before they match that level of atrocity.
Perhaps the 'Christians' do it because they hate Islamic values and the Islamic way of life?
Perhaps they do, but then I was asking about Muslims and not Christians. I am more familiar with the Christian religion, hence why I didn't include it in my enquiry.
@amnesia
I have to say that that is something I don't agree with. 'An eye for an eye' is a policy I can never agree with, it implies vengeance, which is something that is in contrast with my own beliefs.
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Posted: 2005-07-16 22:41:47
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@PeterKay
Is that your quote from islam from today?
Would you like to nominate tomorrow's religion?
Yep that was my quote, for tomorrow i would like to hear from any other religion bitte.
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Posted: 2005-07-16 23:52:44
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@scots, why does it have to be related to vengance?
To avenge means that someone will be satisfied.
An eye for an eye in law is to deter crimes, the government feel no satisfaction in harming another brother in religion.
So if someone were to kill someone and they are killed as punishment and it prevents further deaths then you cant call this vengance, perhaps retribution to an extent to some people's opinion, but nothing more than a way of upholding the legal system and as I said detering further crime.
I hate it when people say that a murderer should have rights.
When a person kills another, they took away that persons right, so theirs should be taken as well
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Posted: 2005-07-17 03:15:19
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