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On 2009-11-08 12:39:31, se_love wrote:
We still fighting on the screen? Jesus Christ so what if its 65k. A lot of phones still have it and do you see any problems with them?
Amen to that!
No one complained so much about the 65k screen of the X1, in fact some people said it was the best display they'd ever seen. Can anyone point to an Android handset that has more than 65k screen colours? The G1 has a lcd capable of 262k but its limited by the OS to 65k.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2009-11-08 12:42 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-08 13:13:53
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Not getting into any argument about difference in screen colours. But i see zero difference between a 262k on a Sony Ericsson to a 16m colour Nokia. I cant see it. So a screen with 65k but with such high resolution its going to look fab anyway
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Posted: 2009-11-08 14:16:00
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Unlike Microsoft, Google don't take years to upgrade their OS and that's where my interest in having a display supporting more than just lousy 65k colours comes in. I didn't care about that when I bought my Xperia X1 for over a year ago.
Sony Ericsson haven't officially said X10 wont have support for next version of Android, just that UX platform will evovle to it. Still it leaves the possibility open to see X10 running Android 2.0 in a not too distant future after it has been released.
If Sony Ericsson really intend to have a prominent device of the first half of 2010, they should give us official support to Android 2.0 or even better abolish 1.6 completely.
The chances are great that Xperia X10 will be the last high end device based on Android 1.6 while rest are moving to 2.0 and here UX platform wont help.
Sony Ericsson outbest Nokia in the display part, that's not a secret.
I did a fair comparison between my N82 and Sony Ericsson K850 quite some time ago and K850 looked better which kinda surprised me back then.
That was when common resolution was 320x240 which means the display can show 76800 different colour nuances at the same time, so there was no real use of having a display supporting millions of colours
Today we are using WVGA resolution which means 409920 different colour nuances as it is for the X10.
Only blind people wouldn't be able to see the differences here.
[ This Message was edited by: McKinley on 2009-11-08 13:54 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-08 14:33:02
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Ok here are some more CONFIRMED info about X10
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Video recording : 480x854 pixels,30fps
Not support DIVX (but with an additional application, on Android Market, yes).[ This Message was edited by: sealover94 on 2009-11-08 15:20 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-08 16:14:30
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Video Codec: H.263 Profile 0 level 10 ; H.263 Profile 0 level 45 ; H.263 Profile 3 level 10 ; H.263 Profile 3 level 45 ; H.264 Level 1 ; H.264 Level 1b ; MPEG-4 Level 0 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 0b Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 1 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 2 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; MPEG-4 Level 3 Part 2 Visual Simple profile ; Windows Media Video 9 Local + streaming:
QCIF@15 fps 128 kbit/s
Video Codec Encoding: H.263 Profile 0 level 10 Encoding ; MPEG-4 Level 0 Level 0b Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Visual Simple profile
Video Mime Type: 3GPP video/3gpp ; MP4 video/mp4 ; MP4 video/mp4v-se Receiving only ; MP4 video/mpeg4 Receiving only ; Real8 Video video/vnd.rnrealvideo ; Real8 Video video/x-pn-realvideo Receiving only ; SDP application/sdp ; Windows Media video/wmv
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Posted: 2009-11-08 16:45:23
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"Hey guys, what’s up? How are You all?
I am in a pretty good mood due to the white X10 in my hands. It’s super fast, I mean WARP 10 fast! I mean it really! The only thing that is killing me is the damn screen. I truly hope that the 65k is for the protos only . I updated it to android 2.0 but it isn’t fully compatiblee, unfortunetly for NOW!!! Any way I love what Sony Ericsson made to the interface and the MediaScape and TimeScape are pure power and unseen magic! This is gonna be the top phone. Can’t wait to see a show-off unit!"
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]0-android-and-opengl/#comments
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Posted: 2009-11-08 16:49:51
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kar, se_love, golden
go over to xda and see if they dont complain about the screens!
like i said before and ill say it again, winmo DOESNT count as its a limitation of winmo 6.5 some of the newer screens that come out and the HD2 is one of them that when its upgraded to winmo7 will be able to display more colors b.c of the memory allocation within windows mobile. x1/x2 are winmo phones android doesnt have a limit on colors. x10 is geared more towards ent than business (ie keyboard/winmo).
it is counterproductive to market a phone as a media/socially integrated device with that kind of codec support and the 8.1mpx cam to have a 65k screen. its not logical. if there are more colors you are satisfied either way, b.c it doesnt matter to you doesnt mean that its irrelevant to discuss. everyones eyes for the most part are capable, however being aware is a whole different story. it seems to be a personal issue with you guys not being able to detect color gradients, id prefer not to be distracted by that, when watching a 16:9 clip. go look at the color samples a few pages back, the difference is abundantly clear.
"johnnys phone doesnt have it, its ok if mine doesnt", is what got SE throwing money out of the window trynna be be like johnny. they need to lead, leading is NOT following. marketing a device for the tech savvy consumer leading the announcement by saying LOOKLOOK! theres a QSD8250 inside (when was the last time SE announced the proc the same day as the phone ...) and then showing the pictures of a dull faded screen with uneven and very visible backlighting is wholly unacceptable. i disagree with your premise its stooped in "well the other phones around are fine, so this must be ok", [sar]why not go back to 2003 and get a P900 it will suit your needs just fine![\casm] id like a phone that reflects the time, thats why ppl _UP_grade. its 2010 for a flagship its unacceptable.
FTR: 262K is also unacceptable in this day and age.
EDIT: this is from and SE job description:
Product Quality Manager
Today, the mobile device market has become very competitive and having the most amazing and differentiated user experiences has become the key to winning in the marketplace. The consumers today refer to the best device as one that provides the best user experience for their needs and that they can trust, and these have become the criteria that the users judge their perception of quality of the device against. This perception from consumers of how great the product is based on these criteria is called perceived quality. Perceived quality is all about developing the products for the consumers by finding out what are the experiences that they desire on their mobile devices and then making sure that these experiences are delivered on the devices just the way our consumers need them. It is one of the most important elements that drive the product’s success. Sony-Ericsson is putting our bets on winning our consumers by delivering the products with the best-in-the-class perceived quality.
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Posted: 2009-11-08 17:02:40
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No the Nokia N82 is not Nokia's best quality screen. They often make better screens than most imo for direct sunlight viewing.
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Posted: 2009-11-08 17:48:00
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So, when we are going to pre order
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Posted: 2009-11-08 20:11:46
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That video on vimeo shows that the ui is pretty responsive and snappy. They probably gave them one of the alpha phones for the release event (Someone dropped the ball on that one). As far as the screen i will reserve judgement till i see more info, i can see both sides of the argument but am of the camp that doesnt believe it will effect the phone that much if at all, well see. As far as android 2.0 eclair it will be available soon after its release, possibly jumping ahead to 2.1 flan just like HTC is doing with sense ui (theyre skipping 1.6 donut and going straight to eclair 2.0). Good job SE youve managed to reafirm my intrest in your products and have earned my money, now all you need to do is get this phone released asap.
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Posted: 2009-11-08 20:28:14
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