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On 2004-11-01 23:35:57, Ninjaturtle wrote:
http://www.quartervote.com/
From your URL post, I understand that you are not satisfied with your situation.
The US receives immigrants with open arms...if you want join the 290 million who already made it here, to enjoy the many opportunities, you are welcome to move here where individual success is promoted and rewarded. Then you can partake in US elections, with a full vote (not only a quarter).
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Posted: 2004-11-04 19:36:44
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Perhaps Ninjaturtle prefers to remain in Sweden with its higher standard of living.
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Posted: 2004-11-04 19:40:20
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i plan on heading to sweden because of its higher standard of living. but i planned on going long before bush even took office
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Posted: 2004-11-04 20:25:47
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On 2004-11-01 23:35:57, Ninjaturtle wrote:
http://www.quartervote.com/
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of... I agree with most of what is said here, but I do not agree that citizens of other countries should have the right to place a 1/4 vote for the pres. of the US.
Should I have a 1/4 vote in the next UK elections?
I mean, where is the logic here?
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Posted: 2004-11-04 20:35:26
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I don't think it would matter much if you had a full vote in the next UK elections; Blair is probably still going to win.
The opposition just aren't strong enough to defeat him, but you never know, Bush's victory seems to have galvanised opposition to Blair here.
I do agree though, foreigners shouldn't be allowed to vote in other nation's elections. Mind you, it would have been nice if they could have in the recent U.S. election.
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Posted: 2004-11-04 21:03:02
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On 2004-11-04 20:25:47, eric_emeralds wrote:
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i plan on heading to sweden because of its higher standard of living. but i planned on going long before bush even took office
I have to say that my standard increased when I moved to the US. I make a couple of $k more a year, I pay 14% income tax instead of 43%, I chose myself where my money goes and what to do with it.
I don't like to participate in systems where the tax payers pay for other peoples inproductivity. I believe in individual liberty and not collectivism.
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Posted: 2004-11-04 21:26:06
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On 2004-11-04 21:03:02, scotsboyuk wrote:
@richy240
I don't think it would matter much if you had a full vote in the next UK elections; Blair is probably still going to win.
The opposition just aren't strong enough to defeat him, but you never know, Bush's victory seems to have galvanised opposition to Blair here.
I do agree though, foreigners shouldn't be allowed to vote in other nation's elections. Mind you, it would have been nice if they could have in the recent U.S. election.
Yes, that would have assured his defeat.
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Posted: 2004-11-04 21:31:12
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On 2004-11-04 21:26:06, amagab wrote:
I have to say that my standard increased when I moved to the US. I make a couple of $k more a year, I pay 14% income tax instead of 43%, I chose myself where my money goes and what to do with it.
I don't like to participate in systems where the tax payers pay for other peoples inproductivity. I believe in individual liberty and not collectivism.
You mean you don't like a system of social security. I believe in helping my fellow human beings; if someone cannot work through illness, disability or because economic conditions prevalent at a particular time mean there are few jobs then I believe that those who earn more money should pay more taxes to help them. I also believe that every humanbeing has the right to free medical attention and I am quite willing to pay higher taxes to ensure this. I believe that no human being should go without food or shelter, again i am very happy to pay more taxes to make sure that this is possible.
I really do not like to talk about money, I consider it a vulgar subject, but suffice to say I pay a decent sum in tax. I am happy to do this because I know that it goes to support a system of free health care, free education, economic aid for those unable to provide for themselves and to help ensure that basic public services run as best they can. It might not be perfect, but I believe it to be a good system. Interestingly enough, Britain is the most capitalist country in Europe, and everyone here has the ability to be successful precisley because there is a system in place to support them.
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Posted: 2004-11-04 21:40:20
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I believe in providing for yourself. Yes, a lot of people are not able to that. There is actually a safety net here as well....but not as high as in Europe. Basic needs are provided here as well...it might not be known but health care is free for emergencies, welfare is provided to people who cannot provide for themselves. It might not be as luxurious as in Europe, but at least it's there.
Americans DO believe in helping fellow humans as well. That is why Americans (both government and individuals) have the HIGHEST charitable DONATIONS and contributions in the world.
Europe did have the greatest health care in the world...however, it is now suffering due to abuse and government inability to run successful operations. It is sad to see European health care and welfare (the backbone of European politics) decline without people's call for reform.
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Posted: 2004-11-04 22:01:52
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I'm very glad to hear that the U.S. does give the most to charity, after all it is the richest nation on Earth.
Free emergency health care is hardly free health care. What about the the needs of the patient after the initial emergency? What if the patient needs life long medical treatment? What happens to those who cannot afford to pay for drugs? What about the people who need surgery to relieve pain, but which isn't deemed an emergency? Are mental health problems deemed emergencies?
The European health systems have been in decline for a long time now, and I presume that you don't follow the European media as there have been calls from all quarters for years to reform the health systems.
The aim of the welfare state is to make sure that everyone, regardless of income, has an equal chance in life. It might not be a perfect system, but I it is soemthing that almost all Europeans are prepared to pay for. What surprises me is that there have neve rbeen any strong calls in the U.S. for a free health care system, certainly not by any recent important political figures. Is there a lot of support for such a measure in the U.S.?
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Posted: 2004-11-04 22:10:25
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