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@amnesia
I can't say that I agree with that sentiment. To me a person is a person.
I posted this the other day, but it is quite apt here I think:
The sage does not distinguish between himself and the world;
The needs of other people are as his own.
He is good to those who are good;
He is also good to those who are not good,
Thereby he is good.
He trusts those who are trustworthy;
He also trusts those who are not trustworthy,
Thereby he is trustworthy.
The sage lives in harmony with the world,
And his mind is the world's mind.
So he nurtures the worlds of others
As a mother does her children.
My beliefs tell me that the best way to combat suffering IS with kindness and compassion.
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Posted: 2005-07-17 09:53:03
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I read in this morning's Sunday Express an article reportedly from a Muslim who had been close to Al Quieda and the terrorist cause and had met and done things with Bin Laden's number two (whose name escapes me), that said that most Muslims were basically 'silent terrorists'. Meaning that many Muslims have a sympathy with the terrorists after things like the Iraq war, percieved support for Israel and not for Palestinians in the occupied territories, and that that silent refusal to denounce that attacks as meaning they supported terrorism.
It also stated that many Imams publicly denounced and said they didn't condone violence and terrorism to avoid revenge attacks then secretly carry on supporting the terrorist cause. It went on to mention that Islam, or at least the way it is taught says that all non-Muslims are to be killed!
There was a separate article in that paper (the Express seems to be a bit anti-Muslim today!
) complaining about the Muslim community's lack of integration into British society and isolationism may also be causing trouble.
BEFORE I'M FLAMED I'm not saying I agree with this, I am interested to get PeterKay and other Esato Muslim's opinions on this article - are there any shreds of truth in it, or is it yet another example of the British tabloid press being islamophobic and zenophobic? Have any of you come across terrorist/Al Quieda sympathisers in your local Mosque/community?
I hope this post isn't off topic, or either inflammatory or derogoratory, I apologise if it is.
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Posted: 2005-07-17 16:35:09
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sammy_boy that article in the sunday express is the biggest pile of bull ever ive ever heard....nowhere in Islam does it state that all non-muslims have to be killed!...The Mail and the Express have always been islamophobic and zenophobic even long before 9/11...so im not surprised by this..These days they will blame anything and everything on Islam to try to make it look like a evil religion.
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Posted: 2005-07-17 16:43:05
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@Sammy_boy
who control ur life my dear fren?? the DailyNews!! Knowing u've been reading this post and yet the Media has taken control ur mind.. very sad.. looks like the Media is not supporting the world, but causing anger to people example, Sammy_boy. I feel sorry for the future to come..
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Posted: 2005-07-17 17:10:46
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On 2005-07-17 17:10:46, 02 wrote:
@Sammy_boy
who control ur life my dear fren?? the DailyNews!! Knowing u've been reading this post and yet the Media has taken control ur mind.. very sad.. looks like the Media is not supporting the world, but causing anger to people example, Sammy_boy. I feel sorry for the future to come..
I didn't say I believed it - I just posted what it said, and asked a few questions to others here to get their viewpoint and opinions on such items in the national press.
I do certainly take your point about the media and how it can control people's opinions..... you can see that every day!
Articles like that will certainly help fan the flames of hate and revenge against Moslems, it makes me worry that there may be more race riots in the future like there were a couple of years ago in Burnley
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Posted: 2005-07-17 17:49:30
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Its because these of the Islamaphobic news articles that we get attacks such as
this asian man that was murder after the bombings.
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Posted: 2005-07-17 18:12:34
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Whilst the issue of immigration is very interesting, is it entirely within the remit of this thread?
Getting back on track; how many people here have converted from one religion to another and why?
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Posted: 2005-07-17 19:03:44
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On 2005-07-17 16:35:09, Sammy_boy wrote:
BEFORE I'M FLAMED I'm not saying I agree with this, I am interested to get PeterKay and other Esato Muslim's opinions on this article - are there any shreds of truth in it, or is it yet another example of the British tabloid press being islamophobic and zenophobic? Have any of you come across terrorist/Al Quieda sympathisers in your local Mosque/community?
Sammy_boy, these questions i get asked everyday from my friends at work and at home. The truth is i do not know of any terrorist or al-quieda sympathasisers. BUT i do know a lot of people who are very unhappy with the way Muslims are killed daily in this world today who are innocent. This is hurting a lot of Muslims today.
For example, in Iraq today we see innocent humans being killed for a reason that i do not understand. Saddam has be caught and that was their target but even though they have him people are still killed daily.
Figures of those killed are truly uncountable but we know its in the hundreds of thousands.
When one muslim is killed in the world another muslim feels the pain wherever he is on the planet. This is the beauty of Islam as we are all brothers.
Terrorism has no place in Islam which i have mentioned many times in this topic and i can understand you asking me over and over but the truth is what i have stated. PLEASE don't juge my beloved religion on what the tabloids and the media deploy it as. Like i said, read the
Holy Quran if you wish to understand the truth.
Hope it answers the question Sammy_boy.
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Posted: 2005-07-17 23:57:32
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@PeterKay
As I mentioned before, what about those Muslims who are killing other Muslims? You mentioned that in Islam 'we are all brothers'; why are they killing other Muslims? axxxr mentioned something about these people not seeing the Muslims they are killing as Muslims, how accurate would you say this is?
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Posted: 2005-07-18 00:01:07
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all that I have to say is that article is bullshit.
Islam is about peace, in my classes they have NEVER taught us to kill non muslims. IN FACT, during the old religious wars, Christians used to kill those who did not convert after invading a territory. However Muslims said convert and stay, or stay and pay tax.
No killing whatsoever.
Also, do you think an Imam would denounce his faith after being an Imam so easily? My point is, these are supposed to be enlightened individuals who spreak the word of God through Islam. So why would 'so many' run away?
It's not true thats all I can say.
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Posted: 2005-07-18 02:16:20
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