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@Dogman, my quote was a joke, a bad play unto words of your experience and on your callsign. Sorry if it offended you.
> Now if you're so experienced & ran a data center you'd know that the UIQ3 GUI is completely different and CANNOT run native Nokia S60 3rd edition applications, let alone 2nd edition S60 apps. Just because NetFront is available for 2nd Ed 60 phones doesnt mean it'll work nor get ported easily to UIq3. Symbian OS is the common CORE OS for both UIQ3 & S60 but BOTH implement specific changes in what features are used, how their implemented and how apps interact with the core OS.
I tend to see all current/former S60 phones as Smartphones - phones first. I tend to see the P-Series as incredibly built as a phone 1st in implementation; but its still a Professional Assistant Device like a PPC.
> btw, SE's developer platform shows an SDK or something like it to port S60 2nd edition apps to UiQ3.
> I still see NO proof of NetFront or other browser available for the P990i; that should give you a hint of why SE chose Opera.
> To owners of the P990i; is it possible for you to be able to increase memory upon first boot?! (I'm really hoping new firmwares will have Opera REMOVED; to allow it as a 3rd party installable application).
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:14:57
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> To owners of the P990i; is it possible for you to be able to increase memory upon first boot?! (I'm really hoping new firmwares will have Opera REMOVED; to allow it as a 3rd party installable application).
I deleted Private Data from Opera and uninstalled the demo & other games and after a re-boot I had 1MB more than before, but after subsequent re-boots I lost it again - but my try again after a Master Reset and see what that does
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:23:56
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Perhaps everyone is getting a bit paranoid about the memory thing.
I have run many applications together. Not a crash yet. My memory after a full days use is hovering around the 7 MB mark...Phone still works perfectly.
I have a dual core Vaio and I have succeeded in crashing that through overloading..And please do not tell me it is another Sony product..
It appears that some people are trying to crash their phone rather than use it..
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:43:24
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Hi Prom1,
OK i can accept i may have a sense of humour bypass just now due to pain and meds, but the point i was makeing is S60 3rd edition like UIQ3 is a new version of a previous operating system that requires software to be written specifically for it.
Now although Opera is the default browser on S60 2nd edition and yes this was not bug free either the browser for 3rd edition well at least in the N73 is new and is a Safari variant and excellent. The amount of time between the announcement of the P990 and it's actual arrival was IMO more than long enough for whatever browser was to be included to be made to function correctly. If makeing the cache setting larger resolves some of the problems why is this not how the unit ships? or at the very least at least an advisory note included. Why has it taken an end user to make this discovery for it to be known to all.
I do like the new SE phones and although i prefer the W950 to the P990 just my personal needs and likes There is no way i am going to pay for anything that doesn't work to an acceptable degree straight out the box. Maybe I've just got less tolerant in my old age but the days of spending hours to get bits of kit to work and putting up with crashes and the like are long gone for me.
Marc
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:45:57
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@Avantis
With my M600 I became disciplined shutting down the web app and the messaging app when I didn't really need them. This meant I never had the famous 're-started to improve performance' re-boot. But with the P990 I have not been so careful (playing with the new toy syndrome) and that's probably why I've had more problems than expected. Will keep an eye on the RAM and see if that makes it as stable as my M600.
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:51:26
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On 2006-08-17 14:45:41, Johnex wrote:
People saying that the phone crashes on multitasking is just bull.....not a single crash playing 25fps vids, mp3 at 310kbps or calling etc.
dude just because your unit is working ok does not mean all the others are fine (remember the k750 ?)
so please next time try to be a bit more considerate, I mentioned in my post that it could be some batches that are faulty I didn't accuse you of lying just because you're saying that your phone is not crashing.
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:53:20
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@jah
I tend to shut them down too, as it does not take too long for them to reopen as with the TyTN.
By the way, i tried a master reset after using it for a while, and noticed a marked improvement in the start up time of the browser..same as M600i. I feel the OS system here is more polished and better 'tied' together here than in my M600i..
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:59:24
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From what ive read many problems are caused by lack of memory, for most if your using it normally this isnt a proble, youll be just under the limit but under none the less. But for some they can have an app installed which pushes it over.
Push email like intellisync or onebridge are major memory hogs. Handy day or anythying else which runs on startup can eat up the valuable ram.
I decided against the 990 in the end, delays and memory trouble were the main reasons, oh and cost.
It could also be that some people turn off their phone each night, others leave them on for months (ok, its new so maybe weeks or days). So many things affect the stability of a phone.
Firmware version and as has been said it could just be a dodgey batch.
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Posted: 2006-08-17 17:59:29
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On 2006-08-17 14:45:41, Johnex wrote:
People saying that the phone crashes on multitasking is just bull.....not a single crash playing 25fps vids, mp3 at 310kbps or calling etc.
dude just because your unit is working ok does not mean all the others are fine (remember the k750 ?)
so please next time try to be a bit more considerate, I mentioned in my post that it could be some batches that are faulty I didn't accuse you of lying just because you're saying that your phone is not crashing.
the opposite is also true...i´ve been reading opinions from user here, at mobile-review and my-symbian and the majority are satisfied with the P990 even with current firmware...
also i´m sure the next firmware will adress the problems people have with Opera - you just have to read what virgile from Planete SE says
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Virgile, as-tu essayé de faire tourner le navigateur web avec le lecteur musical en tâche de fond?
Pour voir si ça marche avec la dernière version du logiciel...
Oui, aucun souci.
Mais j'utilise des versions de soft non dispo pour le moment...
He says he´s using a newer yet to be released firmware, and that with it he´s able to run the RAM hungry Opera and listen to music at the same time, something that people can´t do right now
http://www.planete-se.net/ind[....]id=163954&st=1040&#entry163954
like i said before, the more violent critics made to the P990 are made by people that...don´t own it
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Posted: 2006-08-17 18:13:18
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Has anyone tried the video conferencing yet?
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Posted: 2006-08-17 19:59:11
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