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being able to make something and being able to sell something are two different things

not profitable because they don't have what it takes to make a profitable product
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Posted: 2015-11-07 05:44:33
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it's not tech or money they havent though...


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Posted: 2015-11-07 11:34:00
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I was also curious about the absence of new tabs. The NA websites have them removed or still state Z2 as the latest. I think it's a positive sign that they are finally starting to chop off the rotting branches starting with the tabs, which has never been anything but a failure both technologically and financially.
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Posted: 2015-11-07 19:43:44
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It depends whether we're talking about Sony as a whole or Sony mobile only, cause Sony Mobile would be no match with their SoC's for the big guys. You forget that it took Samsung few years to get where they are right now with their SoC's, Sony's mobile department doesn't have time for experiments with their SoC's.
As for other SoC makers:
Samsung - needs no comments.
Huawei - used only in their devices which are selling well because they offer great price-value ratio even though their performance leaves something to be desired but that should change with kirin 950.
Mediatek - started as cheap SoC's for white box tablets with recent moves to the major league with X20.
And now imagine Sony mobile trying to come up with something that could threaten the current status quo, highly improbable.
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Posted: 2015-11-07 21:25:52
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new kirin 950 just cracked 62000 antutu score, Z5 and H2 s810 devices can already achieve 60000ish score. So they are still playing catch up next year, but far better than where they were now. Same with Mediatek, their high end X10 is barely keeping up with S801 or S805, x20 might surpass it or get closer but but probably not by much. Those 2 are still a generation (1year?) behind assuming S820 has no overheating and throttling BS, or at least not as serious. Samsung is the real winner here, 14 nm help them a great ton or they would be facing the same issue as S810 this whole year. It smaller die size didn't give them any major battery saving advantages as most would have though, which means they are still lots of rooms for improvements. If google is serious about standardizing the mobile SoC this can save a lot of headache for many manufacturers and they can start coming up with their own unique features like forcetouch etc. If Sony is going to use their SoC they should probably look at cross platform functionality like TV, mobile, camera, PS4, PSVR etc which can be beneficial but So far PS4 is the only major money maker so probably still not worth it.
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Posted: 2015-11-08 05:42:38
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This is the worst year to buy a sony device, actually almost any device but the note 5 or s6. After watching reviews and comparing to other flags there is no reason to buy any z5 device, maybe only z5c for people who wants something compact only because it has no rivals. My next phone is probably the note 5 64 gb which is overall the most competitive and powerful flagship on the market (with its flaws). Sony must be joking hard on me if they think that i will spend my precious 1000$ on z5 premium (z5 is not different), overall inferior and overpriced device to note 5 and v10 as well. The problem with sonymobile is that they don't strive for perfection because they are in a survival mode and might bleed to death not far from now. I hope not. It must start with their management down to the programmers, qa, marketing, etc. They are just not competitive enough and did not improved enough with the z5 devices. They are in a weak position. I may give sony a chance a year from now if they reveal the next premium if with the next one they strive for perfection, improve their qa, not damaged by qualcomm s820, not cut corners on base premium spec which in 2015 is 4gb of ram not 3 and the 4k panel is not an excuse, add ois to the camera, drastically reduce noise especially in low light shots to be competitive low light shots, drastically improve their quality control and more as people who bought z5 and z5c got defected rear camera hardware that produce blurry shots. I love the true to life colors, 1080p video with steadyshot and the daylight shots that z5 camera produce but it is just not enough for the price and against note 5. Every phone can shoot decent in daylight, big deal! Low light is where the money is at and they are noisy, grainy. Sure, some people can buy a z5 devices and be happy with it but for someone like me that is buying one and only phone for the next 4 years and looking for overall the best and most balanced flag? It is without a doubt the note 5 no matter how you look at it. Hopefully at ifa 2016 with the next devices sony will start a new page, go out of their survival mode to a highly competitive mode.

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Posted: 2015-11-08 13:55:33
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Z5 takes pretty mediocre photos in daylight as well. Colors, white balance etc. are ok but there's still hell a lot of noise, overall quality is good at most and that's not enough in a flagship. They need OIS or sensor-shift stabilization, fast. They need to work on their displays as well, they're waaay to cool (unlike in other phones, Xperias have different IPS displays where backlight panels emit blue light, not white), visible digitizer doesn't help. Limited avability on many markets won't help if they want to increase sales. And most of all - they need to change the design. Even though Z5 looks elegant and mature, Omnibalance also looks old, squareish shape makes bezels look bigger than they really are, overal it's not very appealing anymore, especially compared to the competition.

Right now on many markets Z5 costs basically as much as S6 edge. Imagine comparing them side by side in your hand. Who would pick Z5?


Kirin 950 scored 82000, that' quite a bit more. They're struggling with GPU but noone seem to care about it.

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Posted: 2015-11-08 14:36:56
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The Z5's pictures are very, very good when you use the 8mp oversampled mode. 23mp mode will have noise - this is just fact.

Beyond that this year is terrible for smartphones in general anyway.
Ya'll are talking about the Note 5. Guess what, here in the UK and Europe we can't actually buy a goddamn Note 5...
So what do we do? I don't want an S6 Edge (+) nor do I want an iPhone. The Z5 looks amazing, has a great camera (when you use 8mp) but has a terrible SoC.

I don't want a Nexus. The 5X is adequate, the 6P is too goddamn big.
Literally nothing. 2016 better be good.

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Posted: 2015-11-08 14:45:24
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Yes this years terrible but unfortunately Sony are stuck in their old ways...
Bezels ugh, the phone is LONG for its size.
Price is NOWHERE near worth it, I can get the S6 for much cheaper. I would but the batterys poor sadly.
Camera's still very hit and miss, instead of putting proper focus Sony would rather join the megapixel race meanwhile competitors are now opting for 12MP with large pixels. Samsung are said to doing a custom 1/2" 12MP sensor for S7.


I think I may try and get the S7 or M10 if it has a better camera and design, which I think it will since they got absoluted destroyed by media this year.
I kinda need a new phone this year but Im going to try and wait unless Z5 gets a big price cut.

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Posted: 2015-11-08 15:13:56
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@penguino
Who would pick z5?
Sony fans who will buy everything regardless of price and competition, people that their money grows on their backyard trees, people who driven to sonymobile from other sony divisions, people who lives on sony nostalgia, people who don't compare and buy based on design alone. These people are a minority because of the reasons i mentioned.
I think that sony knows that z5 devices won't take them anywhere but they hope that somehow z5 devices will make them bleed less money. That is their most optimistic view forecast.
@XYZ
I've seen all the comparisons, regardless if you shoot in 8mp or not, Note 5, v10 and 6s plus cameras have overall better cameras for photos and videos. Moreover, Low light is the real deal. I'll go further to say that comparisons need to start and end in low light photos and videos. It will save the reviewers time in making the article or youtube video. What do you do in the uk? Wait for note 5 to arrive to stores, import it from other country or don't buy anything. Why spend money on overpriced half baked device?

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Posted: 2015-11-08 15:28:37
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