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Can someone please buy one and post a few shots. That would save you guys a lot of links to post.
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Posted: 2013-09-09 15:36:00
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Posted: 2013-09-10 18:27:02
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On 2013-09-09 15:36:00, hihihans wrote:
Can someone please buy one and post a few shots. That would save you guys a lot of links to post.
I'm tempted because when I took this photo the other night with my 808, I couldn't help but to wonder .... If I had a 1020, shooting the same shot at iso 400, would this image have come out this clean?... If so, I might be game to buy one because this is about as demanding as I need to ever be.... thoughts? or better yet, if you have a 1020, what is your experience in similar lighting at 400/800 iso ?
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Posted: 2013-09-11 04:16:12
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^ doubtful mate.. the 808's algorithm cleans up the noise better than the 1020, at least based on the tests I've done with a store 1020 unit.
The smaller sensor doesn't help either.
Considering that you know exactly what you are doing with the 808 when it comes to settings, I doubt that you will be able to get a better result out of the 1020. You might be able to do so in auto mode, so you don't have to worry about manual settings and having to stay still as much, but overall.. I don't think that you will be satisfied with the results from the 1020.
I would recommend stopping by AT&T and checking one out.. snap a few pics, transfer over to the 808 via Bluetooth, and compare yourself.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 07:41:34
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On 2013-09-11 07:41:34, cu015170 wrote:
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I would recommend stopping by AT&T and checking one out.. snap a few pics, transfer over to the 808 via Bluetooth, and compare yourself.
Funny you should say that... the AT&T store is right next to where I took that picture... I was playing with it in the store but when I went into camera roll, could not find the "bluetooth" option. The only options I saw was a few different email accounts, flicker, facebook and via messaging... stuff like that. Where do you go to bluetooth an image from the phone?? I'm sure I would have eventually figured it out but was pressed for time (to go drink beer!)
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Posted: 2013-09-11 12:32:02
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On 2013-09-11 07:41:34, cu015170 wrote:
I would recommend stopping by AT&T and checking one out.. snap a few pics, transfer over to the 808 via Bluetooth, and compare yourself.
I would strongly recommend you not to do so, or at least not to post the results here, we've seen enough bad pictures already
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Why? Well, you both, cu15170 and mlife, have an 808, we've enjoyed many of your excellents pics.
Do you remember, that some of the first 808 pics, posted by bloggers after a short hands-on, were disappointing, to say the least? (I hope you do, as some on here have chosen to forget them.) People said: "Is that the 41 megapixel phone, heck, even my 8mp [insert brand here] takes better photos!" Still some saw the potential, bought it, and now we're seeing superb photos, taken by real owners, who had plenty of time to get to know the phone and to find out the best settings for every situation. Of course, the 808 received a few software updates in the meantime, but the main reason, some bloggers had these bad results, was, that they had only an hour or even less with the phone, and they wanted to rush out the photos, as, being the first to publish, is important in the blogosphere, forums from all over the world will link to your post and links=clicks=money, which unfortunately is more important than quality, to some bloggers.
So, do you think it's possible to go into a shop, grab a phone (probably secured with a cable, so you can't even chose the best angle), and, without knowing the best settings for that particular phone in that situation, nor knowing the use of ProCam (excellent app, when you know, how to use it!), to take a picture that'll do justice to both the phone and your ability as a mobile photographer?
I doubt it.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 16:27:28
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On 2013-09-11 12:32:02, mlife wrote:
On 2013-09-11 07:41:34, cu015170 wrote:
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I would recommend stopping by AT&T and checking one out.. snap a few pics, transfer over to the 808 via Bluetooth, and compare yourself.
Funny you should say that... the AT&T store is right next to where I took that picture... I was playing with it in the store but when I went into camera roll, could not find the "bluetooth" option. The only options I saw was a few different email accounts, flicker, facebook and via messaging... stuff like that. Where do you go to bluetooth an image from the phone?? I'm sure I would have eventually figured it out but was pressed for time (to go drink beer!)
WP is funny like that
you have to go into the settings first, turn it on from there, and then when you go to the cam roll and click on "share" it will have the BT option.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 18:18:00
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Listen to Marly guys. Some wise words she wrote.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 19:34:46
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On 2013-09-11 16:27:28, Marly wrote:
So, do you think it's possible to go into a shop, grab a phone (probably secured with a cable, so you can't even chose the best angle), and, without knowing the best settings for that particular phone in that situation, nor knowing the use of ProCam (excellent app, when you know, how to use it!), to take a picture that'll do justice to both the phone and your ability as a mobile photographer?
I doubt it.
You can see the raw IQ of the sensor, which is what I personally care about. I am sure that many of us here can extract the maximum out of the 1020, but whatever we do .. we can't improve the quality of the jpegs it produces.
I don't know if you remember, but a few days before Nokia launched the 808 someone in China leaked a few random images from the 808, all it took for me is to look at one of them and see that there is tons of potential. The noise levels were so low .. I almost didn't believe that they were from a phone, but the color reproduction, focal length, and resolution convinced me that it was indeed a Nokia device.
There was non of that with the 1020. From the very first official shots Nokia posted, to this very day, every image a look at.. I can see grain/noise levels that are inferior to the 808.. I don't think that having experience with the device would help that in any way.
Yes, composition, exposure.. maybe some post processing will help, but if you don't have the initial raw quality from the source, there isn't much you can do.
And don't forget, we are talking about pixel peeping here.. if you just look at the images at 1000x600 .. the 1020 might actually look better than the 808.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 20:29:38
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The thing is, we're talking about the 1020 taking poorer images using Nokia's pro camera app. Potentially, that app could be improved to the point that the quality it produces could rival if not beat the 808.
The 808 gets such brilliant shots from hardware. The 1020 uses similar if not better hardware. It has OIS for goodness sake ! The problem is the camera app. I can just imagine in six months time, the 1020 will have had several app updates, OS updates and such.. then theres also the possibility that a third party could create their own app which gives the same controls as Nokia's, but with raw image details rather than silly sharpening or colour saturation.
As much as I love the 808 and would love one, or just to see one in the flesh, I think i'd choose the 1020 for its potential rather than what it is now. Four second shot to shot time ? far too long, I cant see Nokia settling for that !
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Posted: 2013-09-11 22:12:45
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