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I didn't think so.
I'm very happy that there are some people here willing to have a discussion with people who don't agree with them. But I'm curious as to what it must be like to only to preach to the choir? Any sense of accomplishment or purpose? But you're not willing to share your opinion and DEFEND it so I guess you won't waste your time trying.
As for anyone else - this one has to be almost too easy. I'll be monitoring this thread (as usual) so if you want to take some of the very good points inadvertently posted by Axxxr in the previous article - I'd sure love to discuss them. I know I can learn a whole lot here.
I've told you that there is nothing futher to discuss between you and me!We have had our little debate and its enough now.which part of that do u not understand?.I have more important things to do on esato than to talk about politics.in case you forgot this is a mobilephone forum!.Now stop your cheap sarcasm and move on.
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Posted: 2004-08-06 19:25:24
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On 2004-08-06 19:25:24, axxxr wrote:
I've told you that there is nothing futher to discuss between you and me!We have had our little debate and its enough now.which part of that do u not understand?.I have more important things to do on esato than to talk about politics.in case you forgot this is a mobilephone forum!.Now stop your cheap sarcasm and move on.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I know I can be very pushy and thick-headed. It's one of the reasons I like to debate with people as it tends to humble me when I'm wrong (which happens once in a while
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And thank you for taking time out to respond to me. I appreciate it.
Just curious - when you created this Political Thread and responded to others who agreed with your apparent opinion of Bush and continued to discuss things - were you spending too much time here? Oh, and just in case it wasn't clear - one doesn't have to spend hours online like I do (as I have no life) to post their opinion and defend it. One can look up an issue and get some facts and type a few short paragraphs once in a while instead of just blindly cutting and pasting articles from elsewhere.
And as for the "Sarcasm"??? I'm not sure what you're talking about. If I were being sarcastic wouldn't I say something like ...
Quote:Wow, Axxxr is always writing such eloquent responses to questions posed to him/her, always willing to engage in intelligent debate with those who disagree with him/her, and always able to defend his/her opinions so persuasively!
Yes - that
is sarcasm.
So -
Anyone care to take the political thread Axxxr started and discuss politics in it?
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Posted: 2004-08-06 21:19:15
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Veteran disputes newspaper report of recanted Kerry charges
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One of presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam war comrades, who had appeared to back off his criticism of Kerry's war record, recanted Friday and said, yes, in fact he did question whether the U.S. senator deserved his medals.
Last week at his nominating convention, Kerry painted himself as a decorated war hero capable of leading the nation in troubled times and a man better qualified to be commander-in-chief than President Bush.
That portrayal of his time as commander of a Navy Swift Boat sparked a heated exchange this week between those who support him and those who question that image.
This week a group calling itself the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched a television spot accusing the Democratic candidate of betraying his country by speaking out against the war when he returned home.
On Friday, a member of that group who was one of Kerry's supervisors in Vietnam, George Elliott, appeared to back off an earlier affidavit in which he suggested Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star. In the affidavit, he said, "I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back."
In Friday's Boston Globe, Elliott was quoted as saying: "It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."
Elliott told the Globe Kerry did deserve the medal.
Playing golf
Inundated with calls to verify the statement, Elliott grew media shy and said through his wife he would not talk. Earlier in the day, Mrs. Elliott said her husband was playing golf and would call back when he returned in the afternoon.
Elliott later issued another affidavit -- witnessed and notarized -- this time saying he was misquoted by the Globe and reaffirming his belief that Kerry has "not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."
Elliott also wrote: "Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single wounded, fleeing Viet Cong."
Martin Baron, editor of The Boston Globe, said in a statement: "Regarding George Elliott's statements on John Kerry's military service, which ran in the Globe this morning, the Globe stands by the article. The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate."
Next week the group will step up its campaign against the candidate with a book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry."
Veterans supporting Kerry called the ad a "smear campaign" and two whose lives were saved by Kerry hit back.
"What these people have said is not true and a lot of it is grossly inaccurate," said James Rassmann, who has appeared at many campaign appearances with the candidate.
"These gentlemen appear to be making this up as they go along and they are not keeping their stories straight," he said.
Fred Short, who also served with Kerry, said the ad shows "The Bush campaign has nothing to talk about, so they resort to these dirty tricks."
Meanwhile Republican Sen. John McCain, another Vietnam veteran, called the attack dishonorable and dishonest.
The Bush administration distanced itself from the advertisement Thursday but did not condemn it. "We have not and we will not question Sen. Kerry's service in Vietnam," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.
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Posted: 2004-08-07 12:18:42
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Veteran disputes newspaper report of recanted Kerry charges
(Reuters) -- One of presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam war comrades, who had appeared to back off his criticism of Kerry's war record, recanted Friday and said,
yes, in fact he did question whether the U.S. senator deserved his medals.
Looks like the guy is standing by his original searing criticism of Kerry ...
Quote:Last week at his nominating convention, Kerry painted himself as a decorated war hero capable of leading the nation in troubled times and a man better qualified to be commander-in-chief than President Bush.
See - it's Kerry who took us back to Vietnam and insisted his military record was a qualification in his bid for the presidency.
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another affidavit -- witnessed and notarized -- this time saying he was misquoted by the Globe and reaffirming his belief that Kerry has "not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."
Elliott also wrote: "Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single wounded, fleeing Viet Cong."
Martin Baron, editor of The Boston Globe, said in a statement: "Regarding George Elliott's statements on John Kerry's military service, which ran in the Globe this morning, the Globe stands by the article. The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate."
Yep - the guy stands by his original criticism of Kerry - charging that his killing of a wounded Vietnam youth who was running away from him shouldn't have qualified him for a metal.
And in addition to that - 21 recipients of the nations highest honor, the Congressional Medal of Honor, have backed President Bush and expressed sharp criticism of Senator Kerry and his Vietnam record.
Please see: Bush lauded by Medal of Honor winners
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So Kerry gets some veterans to follow him on his campaign tour and make speeches about how he is such a war hero. That makes his Vietnam war record open to review and criticism. And when we take a closer look it isn't as cheery as Kerry would have us believe. In fact the
PT Boat veterans group shows a picture that Kerry is showing in his campaign and claiming the people pictured are his "Band of Brothers" while only one person in the picture (other than Kerry himself) support his bid for the White House. The others in the picture are not supporting him and indeed many of them are sharply critical of Kerry and his leadership abilities as well as his conduct while in Vietnam and after as a member of "Vietnam Vets Against the War".
I guess one can only conclude that he shouldn't have made his Vietnam war record a central piece of his campaign! Anyone care to discuss?
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Posted: 2004-08-08 20:08:50
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Posted: 2004-08-08 20:54:51
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Does this mean anything?
If anyone can tell me what this means would they please help explain it? Maybe someone can put a link in to where it came from so we can see if there is any text to explain it? I mean - all it seems to be is a bunch of boxes with names, acronyms, and nonsense text inside them connected by random lines.
This just in.....
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Posted: 2004-08-08 23:37:06
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Shrinking Bush…
http://www.bushrecall.org/petition/
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Posted: 2004-08-09 02:50:27
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Guerilla protest tech at Republican Convention
With a four-day security budget of $76 million and 10,000 police officers facing protestors, the stage is set for anarchy. And that's just what some activists will be resorting to during the Republican National Convention later this month—only they'll be trading black masks for radically democratic, tech-savvy protest tools.
Transcending beloved old-school methods, this new wave of activists will use decentralized and distributed technologies to level the playing field with law enforcement. "There's been an incredible technological buildup on the side of the police, and on the other side people are still holding cardboard placards and making puppets," says artist and engineer Natalie Jeremijenko. "In the arms race of direction action, there's been incredible changes in the strategies, the training, and the equipment the police use in treating this political process." But the projects she and others embrace are only anarchistic in a strategic sense. While Anarchy suggests a political philosophy loaded with baggage, the term’s Greek origins have little to do with chaos or violence: arkhos (ruler) plus the prefix a (the absence of). This leaderlessness—“uncoordinated actions toward a coordinated goal,” as Siva Vaidhyanathan puts it in his book The Anarchist in the Library—is what links these new-school approaches:
• Flash radiojacking: Jeremijenko and the Bureau of Inverse Technology (BIT), will use a special transmitter to break into radio frequencies reserved for corporate stations, giving bursts of information so brief that the FCC can’t lock onto their transmission location. During the World Economic Forum demonstrations, BIT called attention to the Bush administration’s bogus claims about the safety of the air after 9/11. Each time New York’s airborne pollution surpassed the “safe” level, a warning bleep interrupted broadcasts of the local NPR affiliate.
• Bikes Against Bush: Joshua Kinberg will hit the streets on an “internet-enabled tactical media ‘weapon’ for non-violent creative resistance.” Outfitted with a laptop, webcam, GPS device, and cellphone, his tech-laden bike will receive text messages sent by visitors to
www.BikesAgainstBush.com. At the push of a button, he’ll select messages to print on the pavement using a robotic chalk-spraying device; each anti-Bush screed will be time-stamped and gps-mapped on the website. The bike’s maneuverability effectively makes all of New York a free-speech zone.
• Backpack broadcast: Media collective neuroTransmitter will be toting com_muni_ports throughout the convention. These low-power, backpack-mounted radio transmitters will provide localized, on-the-fly media broadcasts, bearing witness, live, to events you won’t hear about on local Clear Channel stations.
• WiFi on Wheels: Yury Gitman will be pedaling his MagicBike during the convention. Offering free internet connectivity wherever it goes, it’ll wire the UK-based collective OpenSorcery so members can play a military simulator online and on the streets of New York using high-power projectors. Operations in Urban Terrain (OUT), a first-person-shooter game, aims to critique the militarization of civilian life following 9/11 – a condition the group describes as “ a government . . . at war with its own citizens, with soldiers in the midst of the fabric of ordinary life” – by literally broadcasting the game’s violence on city walls.
• Inflated Crowd Counts: When the demonstration ends, police will inevitably lowball crowd sizes, while activists will present overly optimistic numbers. The Bureau of Inverse Technology will calculate verifiable figures, thanks to a wireless video camera tethered to a helium balloon high above the action. A rollerblader will maneuver the balloon throughout the entire crowd while the high-resolution camera beams visual data to laptops on the ground. The result: a composite image that’ll be analyzed by software similar to the kind used for counting microscopic cells in labs. “If Bush can dismiss this as a ‘focus group’ with the wave of his hand, how do you answer that? You have to have a higher standard of evidence, you have to have more compelling images,” says Jeremijenko. “And we end up with a family aero-portrait--a self-documentation of our action on the streets.”
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Posted: 2004-08-11 01:02:28
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