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@slattery, it's not supposed to prove anything, it's a skit.
If you've looked around the mobile free zone you'd see I do quite alot of skits and post them here.
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Posted: 2006-02-14 20:36:00
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On 2006-02-14 19:14:38, scotsboyuk wrote:
I can appreciate them feeling angry, but this was a complete overreaction.
Reminds me of another recent event.
[ This Message was edited by: joebmc on 2006-02-14 20:45 ]
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Posted: 2006-02-14 21:45:29
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On 2006-02-14 21:45:29, joebmc wrote:
Reminds me of another recent event.
How are you comparing the two events then exactly?
This was just a brutal and uncivilised attack on a bunch of young kids,trying to make a point that foreign forces are not wanted or needed in their country!
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Posted: 2006-02-14 21:50:52
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One was an over reaction by the british troops agaisnt the young men who threw stones at them.
The other an over reaction with violence agaisnt the danish.
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Posted: 2006-02-14 21:58:24
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On 2006-02-14 21:58:24, joebmc wrote:
One was an over reaction by the british troops agaisnt the young men who threw stones at them.
The other an over reaction with violence agaisnt the danish.
I don't think that was an over reaction by the troops...this goes on nearly everyday all over iraq,just that its on extremely rare occassion some idiot decides to film it and that ends up as evidence...why else do you think insurgents attack the forces and even children such as in the this case throw stones,isn't it a sign that they are not wanted!...so much for liberation eh!
The Danish cartoon incident was entirely something else.....but lets not get into that debate shall we,as we have said what we had to say on the matter!
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Posted: 2006-02-14 22:11:37
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If the troops action wasn't an over reaction, then what would be the correct reaction.
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Posted: 2006-02-14 22:20:20
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On 2006-02-14 19:14:38, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2006-02-14 19:00:50, slattery69 wrote:
im not excusing it at all i think its a horrible act theyve commited but no matter how much training we like to thing people are given until they are out there nobody knows how someone will truely react. it doesnt excuse the behaviour though
Of course we can't fully understand what was going through their heads, but I have to wonder at why they did this. These men are trained well, the British Armed Forces does train its people to a very high standard, so one has to ask why they did not act like professional soldiers. Such training is designed to ensure that soldiers don't flip out when under pressure in situations more serious than people throwing stones at them.
I can appreciate them feeling angry, but this was a complete overreaction. In addition there was a cameraman cheering them on! There was also another soldier standing by who looked unsure of the whole scene from what I hear. Hence one has doubts over whether these men were indeed overcome by anger and in some sort of uncontrolable rage.
i ll give you an example of how well trained some of the soldiers are in iraq at the moment.
my friend is a memeber of the ta has been for 1 year he is currently riding round bagdahd on an armour car maning a powerful machine gun. his training was spent ing a couple of weekends a month for 1 year with the ta. he knows how the gun works etc so he is trained in that respect, however he isnt combat trained.
his job is to follow convoys moving things round the capital and guarding it basically. he been told that he must watch the road and if he see s anything suspisuos to fire above it as a warning then at it if it doesnt stop. in his words " everything looks suspisous over here"
that to me doesnt sound like a highly trained and motivated man and whilst not a full blown soldier is still in charge of a weapon capable of emense damage.
if the british army are the best of the best i would hate to come into contact with some of the other armies around the world as they must be truely frightening
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Posted: 2006-02-14 22:45:10
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The man behind the cam was sick, but what u didn't see from the vid was that the kids were chucking "bricks, stones, homemade grenades and petrol bombs", hardly innocent. The soldiers should not have done what they did and could have dealt with the situation better, but they could hardly stand there. If u watch the whole video you will also see that the soldiers only did only what riot police would, the soldiers did not kill any of them, permanantly harm them nor did they break or fracture anything.
the only guys that have been arrested are the sick guy behind the camera was was taking pleasure from it and another guy connected with that. none of the soldiers are in any severe trouble and nor should they be. unlike the camera guy, the soldiers were not taking pleasure from it and were only doing was they were trained to do, although this is usually intended for adults.
its hard to think about what they should have done, which i'm sure they too wondered. obviously they could not stand there and be targeted by the 'weapons' being used by the children/teenagers, they could not have retreated as this would have been not only disobeying orders but would have let the riot advance, which could have been even worse, also would really talking have calmed the situation down. really the adults bringing them there was stupid and irresponsible, but also surely they knew that they would not get away with what they were doing.
and for those who think our troops should leave the country, not only would that let the country ruin itself, but the iraq police and emergency services, officials etc our still relying on us to support and help them until they can keep the peace and keep a structure intact themselves.
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Posted: 2006-02-14 23:00:50
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On 2006-02-14 22:20:20, joebmc wrote:
If the troops action wasn't an over reaction, then what would be the correct reaction.
Simple brutality!
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Posted: 2006-02-15 00:12:15
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On 2006-02-14 23:00:50, Xugaa wrote:
The man behind the cam was sick, but what u didn't see from the vid was that the kids were chucking bricks and petrol bombs, hardly innocent. The soldiers should not have what they did, but they could hardly stand there. If u watch the whole vid u will see that the soldiers only did what riot police would.
If you look at the whole incident the children and adults were part of a protest against massive unemployment in iraq,,the troops came in and used heay handed tactics to disperse them,thats when the children started throwing stones...so your basically trying to justify this by saying this is what riot police would do...Riot police do not drag away protesters specially children inside a compound and beat the living daylights out of them...that is just petty violence and brutality!
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Posted: 2006-02-15 00:19:36
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