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Well I think I got to about the second line before giving up.
As for the W950i getting blocked I contacted PeterKay to say that I would not do that straight after he posted on here that he was the new owner.
But at the end of all your waffle basically I have a unusable 8800 and you have the funds from my W950i.
That really seems like a good deal to me.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 17:59:47
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I still think you should compensate Mike back; seems like your trying to avoid any costs on yourself - we all know the police or courts arent going to convict or compensate anyone back.
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right thing Topscooby, and give him his money back (you can both agree a figure if you prefer?), and track down the ebay seller yourself (you must have his details - home) or take lamont advice and sell on the 8800 outside the UK (should get at least £150), that way you wont be stung (totally anyway) by the deal.
I dont feel its right for mike having to take any burden of the barring of the phone, as he bought it off you on esato - no safety or security in place (just trust). However, you had ebay and paypal to help you, if they cant help, maybe implies you shouldn't use they serivces again. Though as a esato member, you have the choice/power to simply refund him, and try again at chasing the original seller.
P.S: in case your wondering, i dont know Mike at all - havent even done a deal with him either
and therefore wanted to illustrate it wasnt fair that you had your 'mates' put their bias view in the thread (though as its a free world....)
Good luck anyway to the both of you.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 18:24:38
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Maybe, a view from a disinterested 3rd. party might help. I'll try to take it step by step.
At the bottom of this, there's apparently a guilty party defrauding insurance or selling-on an unpaid-for contract phone or a careless victim misquoting an imei.
Topscooby is either that person or an accomplice or an innocent middleman.
Mike is the loser at the end of the chain and Topscooby is unwilling to carry the can, but says he is willing and able to co-operate in tracing the chain.
Those are the facts we know. (By the way, I'd guess most theft victims don't know their imei exists, far less the actual #. I've had a stolen phone blocked by identifying myself with contract details and phone #.)
Now for two conclusions and a question that should suggest a solution. First, Mike is out of pocket and all he has is an expensive papeweight. Second, the facts can only be found by official investigation, Mike can't do it on his own, and Topscooby's co-operation would make the job easier.
The question is:
Starting from the present situation, what does Mike have to lose by putting the matter in the hands of the police, with Topscooby's promise of co-operation?
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Posted: 2007-02-16 18:38:36
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Just wondering, can Topscooby prove the paypal dispute with the ebay seller?
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Posted: 2007-02-16 18:45:50
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For what it's worth, here is my two penny worth.
Last year I traded a phone with zootzoot, which I bought off of a supposed mate. I tested it, and was well, so I advertised it, and struck a deal with zootzoot. Upon receiving the phone, which only took a couple of days, zootzoot informed me that the phone was blocked. So I felt it was my moral obligation to give zootzoot a full refund. He didnot have to ask, and to his credit, he was very civil about it. I refunded him and asked that he destroy the phone, as I did not want anything to do with dodgy dealings.
The onus was on me to retrieve my original outlay, which I did. It took me a while to catch up with the original seller, and me , not being the most tactful or tolerant of people, ranted and raved and demanded my money back. He said that he had nothing to give me, and if he had, he wouldn't hand it over. I saw red and gained some satisfaction, if you catch my drift. This is not the way to do things, and I cannot condone it, but it made me feel better. I am out of pocket, and still slightly peeved, but I now consider the subject closed.
Topscooby, give Mike a refund, and let's keep this forum a friendly place. You can start to recoup your outlay. Please do not go about it the same way as me as you could land yourself in serious trouble, but involve the proper authorities, whether it be the police, Ebay, Paypal or all three.
Well, that's my sayso. Sorry, if it goes on a bit.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 19:22:46
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On 2007-02-16 18:38:36, koolezt wrote:
The question is:
Starting from the present situation, what does Mike have to lose by putting the matter in the hands of the police, with Topscooby's promise of co-operation?
How about the expensive paper weight if they decide to return it to the insurance company?
That would just be the icing on the cake wouldn't it.
I would then have nothing . the original seller would have the money from Topscooby and Topscooby would have the proceeds from MY W950i.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 19:27:16
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Mike. Your phone will eventually, no doubt, end up with the insurance company. And by the time the police etc have got their finger out and caught the criminal, it will be worth nothing anyway.
I was sold a phone on here by a well known member. It was blocked about two weeks later. I rang the member and within 20 minutes, the money was back in my bank account by bank transfer.
No hassle, no questions, just an apology for the trouble. Why should you have to bear the brunt of the enquiry for a not inconsiderable amount of money?
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Posted: 2007-02-16 20:54:04
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On 2007-02-16 18:45:50, joebmc wrote:
Just wondering, can Topscooby prove the paypal dispute with the ebay seller?
im also interested in this because when i had a similar problem, i sold a phone and the buyer complained that it had more scratches than i described, he won ha nds down and got his money back
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Posted: 2007-02-16 21:27:43
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I've had a few complaints registred with Ebay myself and my experience is that the buyer almost always get's out on the winning side.
Shipped a P990 to israel for 900 bucks when they were brand new. The buyer claimed it never got there and got his money back from my Paypal account.
I even provided info from the israeli post office that it was delivered, but still nothing.
Seems strange that scooby can't get the money back.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 21:55:46
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If he's opened a dispute and it was settled, he cannot open another dispute about the same item, so what else can topscooby do? If he couldn't get paypal to do anything then, how will he now? Sell it in another region, best bet you'll recoup more than if the police get involved. It seems logical to me, you can ask topscooby to do something but you are being selfish to an extent. As long as you are not out of pocket you don't seem concerned, surely you should want to get to the bottom of this for the greater good of everyone or sell it in a different country and move on.
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Posted: 2007-02-16 23:50:52
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