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@RoKeC
Sorry but you are wrong the N95 supports 4GB cards and they are hot swappable so it really is not difficult to do. Also the The N95 has HSDPA and a full graphics processor which means VGA video recording and much better performance with high quality material plus of course a dedicated 3.5 jack which one would of thought quite important for a Music device. The only thing's the W960 has going for it over the N95 is 8GB of storage and an extra 64MB Ram everything else on the W960 is the same old hardware as the earlier UIQ3 devices hardly groundbreaking now is it for a device as yet not even realised and IMO a great shame and wasted opportunity.
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Posted: 2007-06-26 12:43:13
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On 2007-06-26 12:43:13, Dogmann wrote:
Sorry but you are wrong the N95 supports 4GB cards and they are hot swappable so it really is not difficult to do. Also the The N95 has HSDPA and a full graphics processor which means VGA video recording and much better performance with high quality material plus of course a dedicated 3.5 jack which one would of thought quite important for a Music device. The only thing's the W960 has going for it over the N95 is 8GB of storage and an extra 64MB Ram everything else on the W960 is the same old hardware as the earlier UIQ3 devices hardly groundbreaking now is it for a device as yet not even realised and IMO a great shame and wasted opportunity.
I'm not sure SE were going for 'ground breaking' though and I disagree with your assertion that the W960 is a 'wasted opportunity'. Looking at what SE have been doing over the past few years I think we can see a definite pattern of incremental advancement; not going too slowly, but at the same time not going too fast either. The W960 would fit that pattern.
Of course the W960 could have had feature x, y and z, but I think one has to ask how much value they would have added to the device. Realistically, how many customers are going to be bothered about a 3.5 mm jack, for example? Most customers are likely to be quite content with the bundled headphones and Bluetooth headphones.
What SE have done with the W960 is to focus on the primary features related to its main function. Hence we see a large amount of memory; a new Walkman player, and a bundled Bluetooth stereo headset. Those are features that are likely to impact upon most people.
If one looks at the W960 whilst standing in the N95's shadow then yes it may very well look like a lost opportunity, however, if one sees it for what it is then it would appear to fill its brief rather well.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2007-06-26 15:19 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-26 16:18:47
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@scotsboyuk
Well after the latest announcement from SE confirming that they are finished with Firmware for the P990, W950 and M600 they are going to be even less people prepared to buy any SE product and especially not any of their smart phones as you can no longer be sure SE will support it for the life of the product.
All these new SE smart phone devices only have an extra 64mb Ram and the extra shortcuts available on the standby screen, how can anyone be sure they are really gong to are any better as whilst the Ram is good it is needed and really is no guarantee of anything IMO. Interesting times ahead for SE can't wait to see how this all unfolds.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-06-26 15:34 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-26 16:32:36
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On 2007-06-26 16:32:36, Dogmann wrote:
Well after the latest announcement from SE confirming that they are finished with Firmware for the P990, W950 and M600 they are going to be even less people prepared to buy any SE product and especially not any of their smart phones as you can no longer be sure SE will support it for the life of the product.
Has there been a confirmed date for support ending yet? At any rate I don't think this is as big an issue for most people as your comments would seem to suggest.
For one thing I don't see SE ending support for a product if there are major problems with it, not minor bugs, but serious issues. Secondly, most people likely change their handsets on an annual or semi-annual basis, so one therefore has to ask just what sort of impact this will actually have.
All these new SE smart phone devices only have an extra 64mb Ram and the extra shortcuts available on the standby screen, how can anyone be sure they are really gong to are any better as whilst the Ram is good it is needed and really no guarantee of anything IMO. Interesting times ahead for SE can't wait to see how this all unfolds.
SE smartphones don't try to be all things to all people though. Take the M600, for example, many criticised it for lacking a camera. I think that was missing the point. It was aimed at business users, not the average mobile user. The P1 now includes a camera, but we see it lacking the features of SE's Cybershot handsets although it includes a business card scanner. SE doesn't take the N95 approach of cramming in as many features as possible as early as possible, rather they appear to be offering measured responses to the market's needs. It has to be said that it appears to be working since SE are seeing some rather impressive growth.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2007-06-26 15:49 ]
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Posted: 2007-06-26 16:48:22
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@scotsboyuk
I think maybe you should look around this Forum and others to see the confirmation that there will be no new Firmware coming confirmed in a message from head of products @SE and the M600 will not even get a new firmware from the last one.
No one is now talking about spec's or cramming things in as you put just that SE has finished with the P990 support and new Firmware and that's it and there are plenty of really angry people around that are planning all sorts of action against SE for this unacceptable behaviour on a device that isn't even a year old as SE just expect them to buy a new device and tough that they failed to deliver what they promised.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-06-27 07:36:37
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@scotsboyuk,
I think it's still an issue even if a lot of people change their device "ever 6-12 months" - you really have it backwards! If they were happy with the p990 maybe a share of those people wouldn't be so eagre to up-grade?! Sure, there are people who are happy with it, either cause they were lucky or because they aren't making full use of it... But still: it was an expensive phone when it came out, and those who bought it loyally deserve a bit better! i bought a p... Last week; purely out of curiosity, as in 9 months I have had zero probs with my e61 - that, since I've had it, gave me no cause, not for a minute, to consider upgrading or to dream of improvements! That's how it should be, and I'm curious how the p... will fare in comparison
but yeah, unwittingly you play right into this trend of manufacturers letting us pay to beta-test unfinished products, and I doubt you would be so defensive on their behalf if we were talking cars or any other expensive gizmo?!
No, considering the hype SE created and the original price it's not defensible it seems (and I'll amend the "seems" once I get my hands on mine!).
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Posted: 2007-06-27 08:08:34
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@shaliron,
Yup. I agree. Great explanation. With the K850i coming out, the N95 will be no match.
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Posted: 2007-06-27 08:40:22
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@scotsboyuk
SE smartphones don't try to be all things to all people though. Take the M600, for example, many criticised it for lacking a camera. I think that was missing the point. It was aimed at business users, not the average mobile user. The P1 now includes a camera, but we see it lacking the features of SE's Cybershot handsets although it includes a business card scanner. SE doesn't take the N95 approach of cramming in as many features as possible as early as possible, rather they appear to be offering measured responses to the market's needs.
I dont think buyers are buying into this idea (of limiting functions based on target market). Buyers like more bang for money. If the competitors can cram in many more functions at the same price, why would anyone be so stupid to want less.
Frankly, I doubt SE is using this strategy on purpose. The more plausible explanation is that SE dont have resources/capability to keep pace with the technology (in super phone arena).
You may say N95 is cramming functions into a phone but in fact this is what a basic high-end superphone should have. Wifi, standard port/jack like mini-usb/3.5mm jack, great cam/video rec and smart OS capability. (ok.. gps is an added extra).
Looking at SE P1i and W960 offerings, there is really nothing to be excited about. It is just the same old beast in a new shell. No offence intended.
It has to be said that it appears to be working since SE are seeing some rather impressive growth.
But NOT in high-end full feature multimedia/smart phone.
I have no doubt K850 will be a success but frankly if we look from the technology point of view the tech inside K850 is so archaic compared to N95. Some SE fans (i dont mean you) just could'nt accept this fact.
Of course, if we are talking about sales volume, it is very likely K850 will sell more than N95 provided the price is reasonable.
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Posted: 2007-06-27 15:30:27
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@jojo
The SD630 is a real digital camera
That's why it's so good.
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Posted: 2007-06-28 09:04:02
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