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My P1i has gone back today. It is more polished than the P990i but still not good enough.

Major issues:
Phone locks up randomly and needs reboot to sort.
Camera locks on initialisation and needs reboot to sort.
Green tinge on photos, terrible exposure.
Unexplained total battery drain in a matter of hours with no use.
Opera is terrible IMO
Out of memory messages with 55Mb free?

I agree it is a good phone in some respects, but it's still not good enough for me. It seemed to work well for a start but after a week or so the OS started behaving oddly and even after a format of the disk it didn't get any better.

I'm waiting for the iphone. SE and Nokia need a good kick up the arse regarding quality and customer service. Apple seem to excel in those areas and that's where my money is going.
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Posted: 2007-09-03 17:24:00
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@kradcliffe

ouch! what happens dude? mine is still running as good as it was out of the box, and i used it quite severely, no issues here, just flashed mine to the world generic CDA

opera works fine, least the best for mobile at the moment

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Posted: 2007-09-03 17:50:53
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won't work on wiki, takes too much time which I mind. next thing they should do is to document every single battery variation.

problems on m600i has to do with the UI mainly; in a nutshell the inconsistency and the steep learning curve discouraging supposedly open-minded S60/blackberry/wm5 users (which frankly was the target group originally).

SE also seems to be less responsive to what people ask for. Comparing to Nokia,which they've revamped the music interface, added fancy transitions, improved the speed and battery life (N95 8Gb addressing that for example). Their approach is different, but might be good nowadays to saturate the market from bottom to top across all budgets, tastes and criticisms, that's how Nokia dominates.

If there's just one thing SE can learn, is to react to market critics FAST
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Posted: 2007-09-03 19:01:29
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This is what happens when the clowns at SE just refuses to listen to the consumers, throw money on some 3rd party company to use the phone not even half as thoroughly as we do for feedbacks and sweep all remaining problems under the carpet. Good going SE. Just remember that good leaders listen to those who put them there. This is why you're not one.
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Posted: 2007-09-03 19:01:51
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It's interesting that everyone's being thrown for a loop over one review. I'd think if people were objective, they'd read all the reviews on the net and weigh everything as a whole, and as far as I can see, as a whole the P1i has good reviews and is a good phone (as in pros outweight the cons).

As for those without the phone, I'd caution jumping to any conclusions. In the first place you haven't used the phone so making predictions and saying that it'll go the way of the p990i is troubling at best. And in the second place, reading reviews and personally operating the phone are two different things (as we should all know).

Having said that, here's my "personal" take on the phone (which I've been using for 1 month now: It functions well enough to cover the needs of my daily usage (calls, organizer, wifi connect, games, supporting apps, camera). The QWERTY design, while strange to use for some is something that one can practice and get "up to speed" with. I personally don't do SMS a lot (though the p1i has inspired me to do it more for some reason) but even someone like me can type on it fast enough to be faster then stylus typing. I'm sure someone who does a lot of SMSing, once they get used to it should be able to type as fast as on any other QWERTY. In terms of problems, the only more "major" problem that I've had is the slight green tint on the right hand side of photos. Haven't had any mysterious shutdowns, or the unit freezing, or reboots (including when scanning for WLAN). I have had the battery drain from full to 1/4 in like half a day, but I realized afterward that I had like 10 apps open and the bluetooth on. I know from my personal tests that the battery life on this unit is actually quite good: I can have it last a good solid 3 days, sometimes even 4 with an assortment of takeing calls, listening to MP3 files, etc. The key, of course, is making sure that after you use any apps, that you remember to close them in the task manager. The operating speed is acceptable, and I use my phone with transitions to just make it look cool. As has been noted over and over again, the memory is more than enough to multitask without crashing or freezing. One handed use...hmmm, well it can be done, depending on how you use and setup your phone. I do suppose the 5 way jog-wheel of the P900 would have been nice, but everything is still do-able with the current design (4 way jog + the "back" button beside it). You can unlock the phone by holding down the "back" button and navigate and select with the wheel. If all else fails, you can use your thumb to select stuff on the touch screen (that is why the touch screen is there for you know), so I'm not sure where the complaints of this unit not being a one handed device come from (unless you're freaking trying to play Project Gotham Racing with one hand....then I just call you stupid!). Let's see, what else can I say about this phone...ahh, 3gp and MP4 playback is pretty decent. I encoded both HQ 3gp files and MP4 files to compare and of course the MP4 was better, but suffice it to say, I liked showing off a movie or two on my "mini-widescreen". The sound quality is much much better then the p900. Ok, I know, most phones probably have better speakers then a p900 but still, I find these good enough to play my music on speakerphone in the office for everyone to hear. I'm trying to think of bugs, but the only other annoying thing is that the latest SE PC Suite has two connection modes, one for file transfer only (and only to mem stick), and the other for phone management and backup. Kinda lame. Why didn't they just combine it? Other than that, I was able to sync up my outlook contacts with no problems. Oh and one last thing, this baby supports A2DP so I can't wait till I purchase some BT headsets. Normal bluetooth also works well in phone conversations (a given).

Well that just about ends my "personal take" section. But suffice it to say, the point I'm trying to make is find the phone that fits fits your needs. That's the most important thing. Don't go buying this phone and then complaing it doesn't have EDGE. If you wanted a EDGE phone in the first place YOU SHOULD HAVE LOOKED FOR ONE WITH THAT FEATURE!

I will end with this.....the guy who returned his P1i and is gonna buy a iPhone....i BEG YOU...dont' do it. You'll probably be worse off and more disappointed once the novelty of that eye candy OS wears off. Something tells me that a person who switches from a P series phone to a iphone never really needed the features in the P series, because the P series is a business phone with camera and entertainment features, while the iPhone is a iPod with phone features (not necessarily meant for business). That plus the fact that there is bascially...what... one third party app for the I phone so far (the iPhone fan boys were all celebrating like it was some great achievement), and people have been complaining about the lously call quality (duh...what is a phone for anyways). Ironically, the iPhone doesn't support MMS or A2DP. You'd think a company marketing a "entertainment" phone would add the features that make it all multimedia and entertainment oriented.

Ok, that's enough of me knocking the iPhone (hey it's a good phone with a innovative design, it just not for me though). Though it'd be interesting to see a P series phone with a iPhone interface/GUI design *wink wink* All right, I'll shutup now and let you guys debate each other to death. And as always, keep it clean and please don't be flaming....just constructive critisizm. Bye bye ^^

ADDENDUM

Somebodys Major issues:
Phone locks up randomly and needs reboot to sort.
*Never Encountered*

Camera locks on initialisation and needs reboot to sort
*Never Encountered*

Green tinge on photos, terrible exposure.
*YEP that's a definite problem*

Unexplained total battery drain in a matter of hours with no use.
*Read my post*

Opera is terrible IMO
*HAVE YOU TRIED OPERA MINI 4 beta??? IMO the concept trumps even the iPhone (Opera Mini 4 allows browing full page (yes viewing a webpage in all its 1280x1024 glory all crammed in your little 320x240 screen and then zooming in when you need to). Speaking of which, watch this funny (but stupid) clip of the Opera Mini vs iPhone for laughs http://www.operamini.com/beta/video/
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Out of memory messages with 55Mb free
*errr....Never seen this even with 10 apps running.*

[ This Message was edited by: liaoip on 2007-09-03 19:08 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-03 20:00:28
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Oh, dear..

rofl. It's true SE doesn't put much effort into describing their ideal customer. Which they, imo, should, so people know in a better way what they are buying, and what they can expect from the product. And I think you're right - the target group for the p1 is people who use pdas. Still, it's also people who do not want to give up ordinary phone- functionality in order to increase the functions. And on that point it's perfectly possible to have a discussion on whether SE has been successful or not.

And it's obviously possible to have a discussion on whether other manufacturers have been more successful on the same, or if they have simply aimed at different customers, and a different solution.

Of course, that's not the point here, now is it.

And start to make more junk a particular segment of the market wants, perhaps? The sort of people who buys a phone every five weeks? The kind of people who can't be bothered to demand an actual product to their specifications, because they don't really know what they want, except a chiqué brand and an expensive pricetag?

Streangely, I disagree.
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Posted: 2007-09-03 20:04:02
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Yeah,sure. The same market critics who can't expend a few minutes to type their bugs out on the wiki ( the same wiki that SE is watching to gather feedback on the P1i )

(see ares' post above).

I don't own a P1, but I'll say the same thing here I said when we were campaigning for another FW for the P990 ..... IMHO those who post here complaining about FW, but won't do the same for the wiki....well maybe they should think before filling this and other threads with complaints.



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[ This Message was edited by: aqualung on 2007-09-03 19:40 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-03 20:36:04
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Yeah, but not half as dissappointed at owning two UIQ3 devices and suffering SE's pitiful customer service and abyzmal development.

I have spent the last 5 years with SE. The P910i I am still using is BY far the best phone I have ever had. Why can't SE produce a UIQ3 model with the same stability?

I really don't like Apple at all to be honest, but after having had 2 Se lemons and watching all the issues on the N95 and E90 from Nokia, it's time to give someone else a chance.

If Apple had released the iphone with bugs then refused to fix them or give feedback to the community there would have been an outcry. Why should I waste my money on SE who plainly don't give a shit about their customers. Apple generally get things pretty much right at release. The sloppy practice that SE and Nokia have of releasing buggy products then updating them afterwards has to stop. Apple might be just the competitor to make them sit up and take notice.
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Posted: 2007-09-03 21:01:42
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Well over on M-R all our P1i users appear to be happy bunnys, amazing how Esato is turning out to be a magnet for disgruntled SE owners.
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Posted: 2007-09-03 21:21:42
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not me. I'm even happier with my P1 than I was with the M600 I used as my primary device for almost a year

I have experienced no show stopping problems at all. Wifi works every time, battery lasted me all this last weekend while in Stockholm and I've only had 1 restart for performance but only when I was performing a few stress tests
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Posted: 2007-09-03 22:00:17
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