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That may be your point, but it's not the point. You're simply countering my opinion with your own, which is fine, but doesn't get us anywhere. I've used Windows Mobile, I've tried out SE's Panels, I know what you're saying is a massively exaggerated glorification of what Panels ultimately fail to be, but if its what you want to believe that's ok. It's just pointless to be banging on about "facts" all the time (a word that you chose to bring into this by the way) when you have zero facts of your own to contribute, only more of your own highly biased opinion.



But you're just ignoring facts, here. The X1 is not as simple. The X1 interface presents you with 9 different UI options before you can even get near any other apps and functions. It is by design more complex, there's simply no getting away from that fact.



What's the difference between a one-handed swipe and a one-handed button press? Only that the button press is more likely to happen in your pocket by accident.



Only by losing the battery indicator - very convenient and well thought out I'm sure!



I don't know where this cloud is that you're so fond of, but it's a "fact" that I've been using WM a lot longer than you...

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Posted: 2009-04-22 08:39:34
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Boinng,

I see.
Well, good luck than with producing the horrible "truth" about X1.
iPhone will win always anyway. Even if the solutions they give are hilarious.

If the fact that something is actually productive and works fine,
opposed to YOUR biased opinion of another person (I mean you're not God...) is not considered here BUT your statements work fine,
stops any possible conversation.



Yes, the iPhone religion.
You really still keep on giving this device as something as a role model,
while it still fails to give a basic functionality.
This is very convinient indeed.

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Posted: 2009-04-22 10:56:10
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Isn't it just - convenient like not addressing any of the points raised in a debate and ranting on about "religions" is a convenient way to finish an argument you can't win, and defend a flawed product that's already failed. You go for it..
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Posted: 2009-04-22 11:38:20
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You still repeat the theories about a flawed product which just isn't flawed.
That's the problem.
It's for me like discussing why I'm a human, not a monkey.

And actually I don't care about defending since it's not a "war".
It's rather something I observe from your input here and there - no matter what we discuss,
fruit phone appears in the end. You just can't stop it?

I gave you all the possible input - if saying that a device and
it's solutions give a good and sufficient working environment is not valid,
but your missed points are - where are we?
What are we really discussing? Your 100% correct statements, right?

You don't even use the device yet have full set of opinions on it.

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Posted: 2009-04-22 12:27:40
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Are the panels on the production X1 "active" in the sense that the original panels concept was advertised and clearly intended to be by SE? Here's a clue - read the start of this thread - the answer is NO.

That, in itself, makes the X1 a flawed product.

Moving on from there, it's easy to argue that without that realtime updating of multiple at-a-glance desktops that might really have made the panels useful, the whole panels concept is flawed. It simply brings nothing to the table but added complication, and an uneccesary choice of 9 user interfaces (or in effect, 9 different takes on the same WM user interface) where one decent one would have done.

And that brings us back to what this conversation between us was originally about, before you got obsessed with the iPhone - the Touch Pro versus the X1, the fact that it really just comes down to software, and the fact that for many TouchFlo on the TP is a far superior WM add-on than the panels.



I didn't start it. You chose to concentrate on my personal preference, rather than address the straight comparison between two WinMo phones we started with.



You've given nothing but a wall of opinion and waffle - and my "missed points" are simply those which you've ignored.
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Posted: 2009-04-22 14:10:56
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How long this mantra will be repeated?
Don't you get it - it works and gives a great functionality?
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Posted: 2009-04-23 13:06:30
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What I've written above isn't a "mantra", it's a reasoned argument for why the Panels concept isn't that great.

An example of a mantra might be the repetition of a simple phrase like "it works and gives a great functionality" without actually giving anything to justify that.
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Posted: 2009-04-23 13:17:18
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"Isn't that great" is completely different than "flawed" or "gives nothing to the table".

While the first phrase is more of a personal feel, the other ones can be rather considered as objective statements. Which I argue with.

The arguments which "defend" my view are in my previous posting.
Maybe read carefully.

It gives you the required homescreens - with the favourite pattern or set of apps or plugins you need instantly - with the whole functionality of a smartphone under preserved and available instantly. So in front there's what ones like - pure wallpaper, calendar, set of apps, or other stuff like multimedia, on the road short action panel etc.
But it doesn't change the whole device's functional availability - it's available as always.

It works great,
and in opposition to all other manufacturers which basically offer just ONE homescreen/plugin environment availble at a time. Everything else is available through complicated setup process.
In reverse in X1 case you can SWITCH between homescreens in just a few seconds, without any "turn on/off" complicated actions.

It works simple as hell, with a dedicated button.
In my case - as I said as a valid point - I use 4 -5 different panels set to have the best functionality needed in my working/entertainment patterns.

So - I have no idea why this simple fact is not visible for you.
Especially when as you say - you used so many devices before.

P.S. The iPhone was brought by you, not me. You couldn't stop with "it triumphs this all" phrase. What for?
P.S.2 And of course some will hate panels - we live in the world of personal taste too.

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Posted: 2009-04-23 14:21:11
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From what i read in the last few pages, i dont believe that Boing has actually used an X1 for longer than , say, 10 minutes in a shop, before making up these opinions.

I have to agree with Doministry, here. The X1 to me is incredibly versatile in the way that you can set up the panels .

Just my opinion, and i dont care about the i phone, before anyone starts.
Tried it for 2 weeks, and for me, its a pretty and slick piece of shite, that gets boring to use in a short time.

At the end of the day, every one will have a different opinion. Its horses for courses.

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Posted: 2009-04-24 22:05:50
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At the end of the day, I didn't start this thread asking where the "real" panels were - X1 owners did that.

I'm not an X1 owner and have never claimed to be. I know Windows Mobile very well, and I fully understand the (quite straightforward) concept of the panels in their current form. In my opinion they're simply not a great addition to WM, and going by the minimal impact the X1 has had on the WM market it's pretty clear I'm not alone in that opinion.

Perhaps we're all terribly misguided. But I don't think so.
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Posted: 2009-04-30 21:21:16
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