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Mizzle, sorry to say this, but your simile was a tad inadequate.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 15:08:30
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Don't reply because I won't read it? Could this thread become any more childish? No one likes my opinion so I'm taking my ball home!

Mizzle it WAS a ridiculous thing to say. You don't need to spell out to me the point you were trying to make, that was crystal clear. However your choice of comparing the Nazi propaganda machine hiding the slaughter of millions of Jews to the Apple marketing campaign is one of the single most stupid things I've heard on this site.

And to suggest 10 million people are wrong because you say so, is also equally absurd.

A lot of people will buy into the hype for sure, but that doesn't mean they don't enjoy the phone just because you don't like it. No product sells 10 million units based on pure hype and lies. It has to have some substance, and it does.

Everyone has different needs and wants, which is why there are so many products on the market, to satisfy different types of customer.

It's called choice.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 15:34:03
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@marty

He was actually referring to Boinng.

On a joking note, iPhone has proven itself to be full of substance - enough to start heated discussions whenever it rears its head in a thread. Just one of its talents I guess.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 15:37:20
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I didn't say he wasn't.
I'm not a fan of the iPhone, because it doesn't suit my needs. But that doesn't mean I don't respect what it has achieved, and what it can do. It's a unique experience.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 15:47:36
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Yeah, and that's about the level of the debate we have going here - it's sticking fingers in ears time, rah rah rah, I can't hear you so nur. Good one Mizzle.

Just while I've got the guarantee of you not reading or replying to this, I'd better just bring home the crass stupidity inherent in arguing that 10 million people's choice of mobile phone can (a) be considered "wrong", and (b) be considered wrong in the same sense that the people who supported Hitler were "wrong".

Firstly, in the case of choosing a mobile phone, nobody dies.

Secondly, NOBODY DIES.

The elephant in the room here being the corpses piled high from the concentration camps, none of whom died because somebody bought a mobile phone that Mizzle didn't like.

And that's really all this comes down to, Mizzle. You don't like something, so other's are "wrong" to buy it. Nevermind that they like it, nevermind that their recorded satisfaction levels with that product are very high, nevermind that it functions perfectly for them as a phone, ipod, internet device, etc etc - nevermind all that because Mizzle doesn't like it, and what Mizzle doesn't like is empirically wrong. All those people should have chosen an SE phone like Mizzle, and regardless of whether that was actually what they wanted or worked for them in anyway, that would have been right, and thousands of jews would still be alive - no, sorry, I mean Mizzle would be happier, and that's just as important of course.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 16:10:48
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Well Boinng, this was meant to be a rant thread anyway. Why should we argue on Jewish defiance? --> pun intended.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 16:44:15
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ok guys and gals, I think mizzles comment has been discussed enough so its time to get the discussion back to what the originator intended, otherwise it may as well be locked

I've re-read my initial comments and I probably didn't agree in so many words that the iPhone *was* overrated. at the time it came out it probably was, but I was trying to make the point that with the apps shop etc, it is a device that offers so much potential... and the fact that so many fantastic apps have been produced for it which are both very functional and also look great on the iPhone screen, more than makes up for the comparative inadequacies of the device itself.

sure, iPhone on its own does not always compare well to other devices, but the iPhone experience is so much more than the device you get out of the box

there's hardly a moment of the day that I'm not using the iPhone for "something", and only WM has come this close to being anything like that but iPhone does it in so much more of an integrated, and therefore easier way, than WM

I guess the opinion that the iPhone is overrated comes partly from the fact that it is Apples only mobile phone, Apple has a huge loyalty base and they also advertise it heavily compared with other mobile phones. I can't actually remember seeing a single advert for the X1 (for example) on TV. I think the comment that it is overrated also comes partly from people who don't like Apple products or haven't experienced the iPhone.

I was a HUGE doubter before I got it and even remember offering >500 the first option on buying my first iPhone on the day I ordered it to try and see what all the hype was about, and this was a couple of days before I received it. Needless to say he didn't get it
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Posted: 2009-02-02 16:45:47
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That's exactly how Apple did it. Instead of making something that will appeal to 10 out of 10 people, they made something that will interest at least 2 out of 10. Turns out other people also want to be hip and unique like those starting 2, and a full-fledged market is born. I bet Jobs himself didn't think at the pre-production stage that his cult product would be this much of a hit. But if it keeps going on this rate, don't you think it's going to get too mainstream? The whole point of Apple products have always had a bit of a cult nature.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 16:54:40
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hmmm, I see your point but if they continue to only have one "current" version of the iPhone, and not a range of mobile phones like other manufacturers, they will hold their position well, especially as they can focus their efforts... at least until the next revolutionary device comes along from... who-ever

but I really think any new device that wants to take away from iPhone will have to have an infrastructure behind it like iTunes to deliver the content in a simple, easy to use method for the man in the street

this has to be the way mobile device work in the future in order to realise the maximum capabilities...
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Posted: 2009-02-02 17:10:02
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And it wont happen as Apple have a monopoly in the music market. Therefore they will always have the best route to customers without even lifting a finger.
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Posted: 2009-02-02 22:50:46
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