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We may eventually see a plugin for iPhone's Safari that allows viewing of flash video, but I suspect that's all. It's true that Apple want to control the application market for the iPhone and so far that's worked out pretty well for everyone, I can't see Adobe being allowed to change that.

Java is a no-no, but so what? Who needs it?
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Posted: 2009-07-23 10:52:52
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@raiderski

thanks for that sourceful info....

"Apple don't want to see potential of iPhone with Java" ???????
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Posted: 2009-07-23 11:44:19
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Not sure what the "potential of Java" would bring to the iPhone at all. Native apps are far more powerful and make best use of the hardware available, and there are more than 50,000 of them in the appstore - what can a JAR file add to that?

People talk about how terrible it is that Apple control software on the iPhone, but in reality that's been key to the success of the platform. The Appstore works because (jailbreaking aside) it's the only way to punt software for the iPhone and the only way to buy it - that means there are now approx 45m customers scouring that one, single catalogue, and one good app priced as little as 59p can make a developer literally millions of dollars in a relatively short space of time. So good for developers, good for customers who generally enjoy much lower prices than on competing platforms, and good for Apple who's device continues to ride on a wave of massive developer support. Why on earth would you do anything to confuse that model by allowing crappy Java apps into the mix?

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Posted: 2009-07-23 13:58:02
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Because there is a lot of java content on the internet. A browser without Java and Flash support is a weak one.
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Posted: 2009-07-23 14:40:29
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Seriously, name me a few java based sites that I'm missing out on with the iPhone? How is lack of Java holding back the iPhone's "potential"?

Flash is a different matter, but I can see the argument from both sides. As the owner of a couple of ageing PCs, I get annoyed at sites that depend too heavily on Flash anyway. Of course it's handy for video, but even then better and more efficient solutions exist. Maybe it's not too late for the rise in low power browsing on iPhones and netbooks to prompt web developers to look into some of those instead.
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Posted: 2009-07-23 14:53:04
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well, I meant potential of J2ME simplicity for developers and for end-users. no need to use AppStore to install app/game in fully legal way without jailbreaking and lower costs and less time for development/porting, especially for freelancers which want to skip from J2ME to iPhone

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Posted: 2009-07-24 14:45:18
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You're talking about "simplicity" for developers and end users by bypassing the Appstore, but in reality you can't get simpler than the Appstore - one place for developers to promote and sell their apps, one place for every single end user to find and buy those apps (pre-installed on every phone or iPod) - it's basically utopia for everyone concerned. Literally the only advantage of opening it up to non-appstore Java apps would be to lazy developers - people who can't be bothered to code for the hardware at hand and just want to port over the same generic dumbed-down app they sell for inflated prices on every other platform - and frankly, with 50,000 dedicated iphone apps already available, who needs them?

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Posted: 2009-07-24 15:05:28
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idea of AppStore is great but imagine iThing without AppStore. without jailbreaking you have no other source of content, so in my opinion iThing is an addition to AppStore not vice versa. how many years J2ME/Symbian apps were sold without any central store? many years and funny thing is that I never complained about profits from "generic dumbed-down app". second thing, move team of 4 programmers from J2ME to iPhone development - you can't use normal PC anymore, you can't use Windows/Linux, you can't use NetBeans/Eclipse/other because you have to use special PC or iMac, Mac OS X and Xcode


fan of world in black and white only? these people which are not hi-tech junkies. you don't see any reason but I see one very good reason - moneys! you'll always find people interested to buy "generic dumbed-down app". as far as you can gain profits it's worth to create "generic dumbed-down app". who needs Wii if you can play in top-notch games on PS3/X360? why still many people do like worse solutions? rhetorical question

and at last, I'm not that guy who's saying that iThing and Apple sucks, actually I do like them but it's quite obvious that Apple don't want J2ME inside iThing not because J2ME is weak but because they don't want to support any competition for everything which have Apple logo and which must bring profits, well done
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Posted: 2009-07-24 16:35:56
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Anyone who has seen Flash running on the Hero can see why its a bit pointless putting it on the iPhone (even though the 3GS is more powerful, not enough to make it running like on a desktop PC).

As for Java. FAIL. What possible market for it would there be with the App store? Maybe a market for some cheap and nasty apps that no one really wants.
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Posted: 2009-07-24 16:41:03
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Why? The Appstore exists, it's a year old, it's served 1.5 billion downloads and hosts more than 50,000 apps, in other words it's a massive success - so why pretend it's not there?



Why is everyone, from Symbian to Microsoft to Android, now rushing to open or build up a central app store? Because in one year, Apple have sold more apps and got far more of their users downloading and extending their devices than the competition has in the last ten years. That's why. The application market for the iPhone dwarfs it all.



And? It's a commercial decision for any existing developer - yes you need to invest a little time, money and effort in making the switch, on the other hand you'll be able to make better applications, which are easier to code, and potentially much easier to sell. You pays your money and you takes your choice - and it's a choice that's worked out very well for many.



But effectively your argument is "why can't I play Wii games on a PS3/X360?" which is entirely different. The iPhone is a smartphone with its own open OS and programming environment which any developer can code for - it's an elegant and successful solution that's proven to work well for both developers and consumers. Why confuse the issue just to allow some less good software into the mix?



That's your theory and that's fine. Personally I think it's "quite obvious" Apple don't want J2ME bypassing the Appstore because anything that weakens the Appstore framework is actually bad for consumers and developers, and of course that's bad for Apple in the long run too. Add the fact that anything J2ME can do, a native iPhone OS app can do better (and probably cheaper) and the whole argument becomes a null point.
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Posted: 2009-07-24 17:39:41
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