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On 2003-02-07 09:02, 9563246621 wrote:
I am American and proud. I was born in Velsen, Holland and immigrated to the US. America is and will be the greatest nation in the World. Many brave Americans fought and died for the right to bomb Iraq. Many brave Americans will go and make Iraq pay for the deaths on 911. We gave Iraq a chance to come clean. They did not. You some times have to break some eggs to make an omlet. It is sad civilians die in war, but that is why they call it War. If Iraq people rise up today and overthrow their Govt. maybe the US will not drop bombs.
I am sure u r proud to be american... America is one of the best countriew in the world LOL
U talk about WMD.. Yet where r they?
Iraq no doubt has them.. But inspections sould only take 3 minutes..
The US gov't only needs to check wat they gave Saddam and viola! inspections are over..
Abou Saddam gassing his own people.. this is a LIE
The US gov't has known for years that the Iraqi gov'ty never had the capabilities to do such a thing.. But again were is the proff that they did?
Why isnt a muslim nation not allowed to hav any Nuclear arms anyway?
R the Yanks scared the arabs mite overtake them in terms of weapons?
Israel has weapons of mass destruction, USA knows this.. Where r The UN? Where is the gr8 and equal US of A ?
Israel porvides a gr8 base to protect the US oil in the Mid east thats why it was made!!!
America gives arms to Israel, and it helps them destory and murdder Palestinian homes and Lives..
Where is the gr8 US to stop this??
I think that u are really BRAINWASHED or DELUDED in thinking the USA is a gr8 nation...
I truly hope USA is not successful against Saddam as it will show the USA that they are not god or the world's police men!!
So wat were u saying about the USA being gr8 and fair ??
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Posted: 2003-02-07 12:18:00
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@9563246621
I'm sure you are a proud american, but be proud of the possibilities that america offers instead of the political business.
America is a great country, anyone can make it there, everyone get's a fair chance... almost.
But with the current Bush administration it's not like that, sure Bush will introduce tax-relief (or so he says) but this will be reliefing the people who don't need tax-relief.
The poor people are forgotten.
Now over to what you said about America helping the people of Iraq.
Sure, that's what you hear in media, but don't be blind of your love to America. You can love America and still realise the great injustice it brings to people around the world.
How on earth can you belive sanctions helo the people of Iraq!?
For over 12 years now Iraq has been sanctioned, cut off from the rest of the world.
Tv-games can't be imported cause "Saddam can make missiles out of the chips in the game stations".
The only thing that will help the people of Iraq is if you cut the sanctions, leave their country and give them the money youre about to spend on all those weapons.
I don't see a a cruise missile in your home/head can help anyone.
You honestly belive that bullcrap that war is neccessary to help the people of Iraq!?
They want Saddam! How do you explain that "help".. don't you realise that Bush is only "helping" Iraq so that he can gain control over the oil. Cause China is growing to be a big threat nowadays, you need that oil to keep China away.
Same thing happened with Afghanistan last year. You want in to "help" the people. How does it look over there now? Now it's even more rubble than it was before, Al-Qaida and the Northen Alliance is still fighting and opressing the afghan people.
You get the idea that the afghani women are opressed by having to cover their faces.
Let me tell you something, my parents lived in Iran for three years, qnd at that time, before the revolution, it was free for the women if they wanted to cover thair faces or not, and most of them wanted to.
Cause that piece of cloth over your head actually gives more protection against sun and wind that that baseball-cap you yourself wear.
Now let me tell you another thing, after the revolution, Ayatola took power of Iran. The people where happy because this meant no more influence from America. America got cut out from Iran.
What happened?
Well, America gave Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq, lots of weapons, cause now Iran was a "threat".
Now you have all the right to be a proud american, but being stupid is your own choise.
I have nothing against proud americans, cause I myself like America, but proud americans who are so blind with their love for america that they really belive what they hear on tv are just plain stupid.
No offence, but you have to realise that.
A tip, take a look at the film "Bowling for Columbine".. and after having a look at that, say that you are a proud american cause of all the wonderful stuff america does.
Another tip, read a book by Noam Chomsky.
America is a great country, but think further.. patriotism, racism, antisemitism, egocentrism.. it's a thin line..
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Posted: 2003-02-07 14:09:00
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If America is the next Roman Empire and G.W. Bush is the Emporer then let the rest of the World leaders join together to take a swing at him. How do you think we became a superpower? Not by sitting around and putting sanctions on other countries. It was by spilling blood.
Its sad yes, but the hard truth. Lets not forget Japan. In WWI we rounded up US citizens, immigrants and visitors from Japan. If we are attacked again by Extreme Musslims it will happen again but this time just a different group. When America was founded we fought for it, bought it with the blood of our fathers. We are a young nation. Yes there are growing pains. But most of our domestic problems are because of our mass diversity.
I live knowing I have a patient enemy that waits for me to fall asleep. When he catches my country with her gaurd down he uses the rights Americans paid for in blood to stab us in the back. Thats fine to not agree with our political view points. Come attack us so once and for all we will have an excuse to permanetly close our borders. To give us an excuse to let the Immigration Service go into major cities and roundup the illegal immigrants living in our population. To put the Army on the US borders. To let the dogs loose to do there job without fear from parts of the Govt who want to drop food not bombs. I hate the fact my country is involved with the UN. I feel it is Unconstitutional for our troops to wear a UN patch or beret. I wish our people were for the US to once again rise from her sleep and be the superpower she is. But the only thing that will do that is for those who hate us to try again.
The first time, shame on you. The second time, shame on me for giving you a second try.
You think I am ignorant. It scares you that I might be brainwashed. It scares you that I might believe one day my country will be the US it was in WWII and send thousands of young men into the middle east. That we have in the past dropped bombs in Japan. That if pushed hard we will wipe out a country.
I dont fear the dark. The only way to fight dark is with light. So I light a candle and hope to start a flame.
I wish the USSR would not have fallen.
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Posted: 2003-02-07 15:55:00
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Great speech 9563246621 !!
If i didnt read about american foreign plociy, and see all thats happening in Cuba, Venezuela, Palestine, Iraq, Zimbabwe, I would have believe all the ($#!7) u sed....
U say about being a superpower.. Actually Every single American is a coward.. Every war ur 'superpower' of a country has fought, it was had to use bombs instead of Soldiers... This isnt to preserve human lives, its because no matter how much training u guyz take, u hav NO guts watsoever to do the Unhumanly things tur gov't tells u to do..
For instance, look at Vietnam, U guyz pounded them with missiles.. Then sent in ur troops... Wat happened? U got sent packing my a country that is nearly the same size as Texas.... LoL
Beirut... USA had 250 troops in US barracks.. Supposedly trying to preserve peace.. What they were really doing was helping the Israeli's attack lebanon even more..... Again wat happened went U couldnt bomb Beirut??
Hezbollah wiped out 250 soldiers in one go!! Then 50 in ambush on the Southern Lebanese border...
What were U saying about USA being a Superpower???
Then Bring on Afghanistan...
DId U know that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA operative b4 9/11 ??
Bin Laden and his Possy were armed to the bone by the USA to fight the Russians.. This wasnt so the USA could liberate Afghanistan.. The wanted the Oil pipeline which runs from the Caspian Sea thru Afghanistan...
After Good Old Bin Laden told U guyz to take a hike and that the Taliban was going to give U any oil, the USA imposed sanctions.. Shocking!! LoL
Lets look at 9/11.....
Every airport has an exact route of a plane..
If a plane goes of its course for more than 4 minutes, fighter planes go up STRAIGHT AWAY, and MUST shoot it down if its on its way into a large populated city (NYC)...
Now why didnt any planes go up wen the planes headed towards the WTC ??
How come the Pentagon which has normally 5000 employees working in it hav NO ONE at all in the part that the plane crashed??
How come the plane headingfor G Bush get shot down??
there were 15 eye witnesses wo swore to seeing USA fighter planes shooting it down..... So why did nt they shoot down the WTC planes??
Simple reasons.... SETUP !
There is a movie called LONG KISS GOODNITE..
there is a part which I quote
'So ur gonna bomb the WTC building and blame it on the muslims?'
'Yeh! the world will believe us'
Now if this was thought of for a MOVIE, surely it could have happened no ?
(if u want the clip NE1 send ur email)
I havent even talked about how millions of Iraqi's hav died under Sanctions which the USA has setup against it...
China is predicted to hav the Biggest army and economy by 15 YEARS..
It will over-take the USA, IF it can get oil...
However, the USA wants to ensure IT is in charge of the Oil so that it can Dictate to china that it can not grow bigger than the USA..
Against Iraq USA wants to use 800 Cruise Missiles in the FIRST 2 days of war.....
If u were real men Y not enter with ur troops?
Becoz the willingness of the Iraqi's would be too much, also the site of Poverty and startvation would weaken EVERY soldier..
Again U say Ur proud????
Dont be so Deluded ur acting like a horse that is running a race whilst being blind folded..
Take of the Blinds and READ up on the USA's foreign policy
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Posted: 2003-02-07 19:09:00
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I for one am happy that US have acted the way they have. Why?
Two reasons. 1. Hitler 2. Stalin
There should be a peaceful way of settling all differences, but the human race is not equipped in that way. We've always fought battles, and sadly we'll never stop.
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Posted: 2003-02-07 19:34:00
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U say ur happy that people will die in Iraq..
People will suffer so that the USA can hav its oil??
How deluded are u ??
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Posted: 2003-02-07 20:00:00
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I said, have acted. I didn't say, now acting.
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Posted: 2003-02-07 20:10:00
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If I and my American brothers are as you say:
"U say about being a superpower.. Actually Every single American is a coward.. Every war ur 'superpower' of a country has fought, it was had to use bombs instead of Soldiers... This isnt to preserve human lives, its because no matter how much training u guyz take, u hav NO guts watsoever to do the Unhumanly things tur gov't tells u to do.. "
It is because of liberal politicians who want to drop food not bombs tie our hands. They are rich and seperated from the people.
In some ways I wish the House of Representatives would have been hit rather than inocent people in the Trade Center. The people who make the laws hold back the dogs. If their blood was shed then it would have been a different story. But let someone try to shed blood again on American soil. Lets see if they take the handcuffs off and let the young angry nation loose to repay and let the world no for every one American who dies 100,000 of your will die. Remember Japan. Vietnam was a mistake the President let the politicians dictate the war.
The people who attacked us were on a one way mission to their death. You say I am brain washed. You fail to understand the act of terror worked. It was very effective. The everyday person is afraid of what will happen next. We are afraid of an unstable economy. But guess who will become the wipping boys for all our problems if it happens again. A war is a great thing for a troubled economy.
I am not confused about helping the people of Iraq. Their destiny is their own. Mine is mine. I am not rich. I have nothing to gain from their oil. But I suffer because of the uncertinty that tommorrow brings. If any Govt in the world supports terror then it should be destroyed period. Their dictator messed up by challenging our authority. If the people of Iraq dont rise up and overthrow the govt. America will sweep down and finish what Papa Bush started but didn't have the balls to finish.
The Marines did not earn the name Devil Dogs for no reason. The Germans swept through Europe but never had the balls to attack the US. Japan did and paid for their mistake. Another attack will reap the rath of not Allah but a sleeping gaint.
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Posted: 2003-02-07 20:25:00
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GUYS!!!
This is NOT, NOT, NOT what Esato is about!!!
Esato is not a war zone!!!
Esato is a site where people should be able to get away from that kind of thing!!!
I've allready had complaints about this thread, and this one:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=3534&forum=22&start=0
You need to find yourself a WAR FORUM soon. Or maybe we should open a new forum and call it "Fight your wars at Esato"...
You guys are about to force us to take some serious action towards ANY kind of political discussions here at Esato.
Tranquil
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Posted: 2003-02-07 20:59:00
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Jesus christ!
Now there is one very brainwashed little american..
You know why didn't you come out in the first place?
I thought different of you, but it takes some swings at your governemt for you to reach the point where you burst, but until that point your afraid of saying anything cause youre scared, cause you know how wrong you are.. and therefore maybe not only brainwashed but racist.
You care of no one but yourself, you got your stuff on the dry, in america, that'll protect you, you care nothing of other people.
People like you should be sent out on a year-trip to Afghanistan, or Iraq, or any country that your government has put their hands on.
I'm not kidding, and I'm not saying this to take a swing at you, I really mean this.. it would be really enlightning for you.
You sit there in front of your tv, listening to Bush's nice speeches and feel so proud.. how can you do that?
I'm serious man.. stop your monotone thinking, and reflect for a moment. R.e.f.l.e.c.t..
Now what america has done in the past is history, it has done many bad things but also good.
You mean to say that youre really proud of the atom bomb!?
You mean to say that youre proud of the cruelest experiment ever whittnessed by mankind?
The atom bomb(s) claims to be the reason the war was won by the americans, but in fact the war already was over.. but you just had to test those new bombs.
An experiment.. leading to death for hundreds of thousands of people, still to this day suffering from the effects of the radiation.
And you are PROUD.
You think Bin Laden is whacked up in the head?
Well.. if he really was behind 9/11 (and not your government), atleast he had a damn good reason to do it, cause of what america done to him.
America created Bin Laden, trained him, threw him out in a war that americans couldn't win themselves, then took everything from him.
He got banned from his own country, then the next country, and then ended up in Afghanistan on the run.
He saw americans build bases on his HOLY land!
Can you explain why you had to build american bases on someone's holy land?
Maybe you wan't to be thrown out from your own country (usa) and then see afghans build bases on in your back yard.. next to your church, would you like that? Probably you would, right, well.. I'll bet you'll come up with something smart to say.. let's see.
Bin Laden had every reason to bring some mayhem on you, and you deserve it.
-May I ask you how many times you have read, or heard somewhere in media that America trained Bin Laden, gave him weapons and made him flee from his own country!?
-May I ask you how many times you've heard that the weapons Saddam has in his possession is really weapons given to him by America.
-May I ask you if you have ONE good reason why Iraq should let somebody into their country to snoop around for weapons when you know exactly what kinds of weapons they've got?! (reflect a while on this: Bush mentioned in his speech to the nation (in january) every weapon that Saddam has, and how many of them. And still he claims that Iraq isn't corporating with the weapons inspectors.. Now how the hell would he know exactly how many and which weapons Saddam has!? Isn't that a little contradictive!???)
-May I ask you if you have ONE good reason Iraq shouldn't be allowed to have weapons but YOU can?!
-May I ask you if you have ONE good answer to why You aren't interested in disarming ANY other country with weapons but that hasn't got oil?
-May I ask you if you have ONE good reason to why you should have the right to attack Iraq to "help the people" and why the Iraqi people can't do the same for you?
Give them some airplanes and some cruise misiles, and let them help you, the american people!
-May I ask you to give me ONE good reason to why nobody can come and inspect Your country and sniff for mass destruction weapons.
-May I ask you to give me ONE good reason why America shouldn't "show the world their mass destruction weapons and destroy them in front of everybody", just like you demand Iraq to do the same thing.
-May I ask you if you think it's democracy when a president candidate get's 48% of the votes and get's to be the president?
You know what, I'm actually glad Bush became the president, he will be the fall for Americas greatness..
Maybe it will be because of him America becomes a better place, when someone has to clean up the mess he has caused, and has to beg the world to excuse America for all the things it done when that loonie ran the country.
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Posted: 2003-02-07 21:37:00
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