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Posted: 2010-09-26 21:25:19
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Amazing how many of us wish UIQ actually made it. I still have my P910i in its box in perfect working condition. I am currently using my P1i and there is no phone out there that makes me want to ditch my P1i.

While Apple 'revolutionized' the touch UI they have SE to thank for that. I keep going back to the UIQ 4 concepts that looked like something from the future... well, they were from the future cause they were too far ahead of anything then.

Then came the abrupt end of the UI. S60 was/is rubbish, utter and complete rubbish but Nokia couldn't let SE upstage S60 so instead of incorporating S60 into UIQ they did the opposite even though UIQ was already touch optimized and UIQ 4 was already conceptualized. Yes, S60 had a larger market and a larger developer world compared to the smaller but better UIQ. That was a blunder! It meant S60 had to be touch and time wasted. I bet if they went with the UIQ 4 concept and ported the useful elements of S60 Symbian would have been ready earlier than what it is.

Unfortunately, Nokia bulldozed everybody and the Symbian Foumdation had no choice. The results were interesting: Motorola decided they were no longer interested, Samsung seems less interested and have come up with Bada while SE is 'contemplating' dropping Symbian altogether. My take is SE has already dumped the OS, I just don't see them competing with Nokia on low to mid- end using Symbian when they see their status as that of a premium manufacturer. Android and Window tie up nicely with their 'premium' status.

Then there's Nokia, suddenly, okay, after a while they figured that Symbian was now good for low to mid- end phones and that Meego (formerly Maemo) was now their new high end. To me that simply says they realized that they screwed up with Symbian and they needed a new approach, that being Meego. Of course, competition in the form of the Iphone (touch UI) played its part.

SE deserve their Symbian misery! If you have an advantage (UIQ) you don't surrender it as meekly as they did but you work hard, improve and become the best in the face of competition.
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Posted: 2010-09-26 21:29:21
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Symbian was evolving in the wrong direction. That's why all manufacturers using it had to change tack.
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Posted: 2010-09-26 22:40:21
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@ Tsepz_GP - i think you have just had a poor Symbian experience IMO.

Out of memory errors are a thing of the past, unless you buy cheaper Symbian handsets. Remember, if you get an out of memory error when hacking or overclocking your Symbian phone, its you causing it not the OS or its failings.

I agree S60 is rather clunky on all current phones and appears to be less sophisticated than Android, but again IMO looks are deceiving. Lets face it, the iPhone 4 looks amazing with its UI, but its probably one of the most dumb phones out there.

No phone that cannot multitask is a smartphone IMO.
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Posted: 2010-09-27 21:33:49
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How on earth can you cause an over clocking by viewing photos I remember when I had an N73 phone & by using just one thing which was viewing photos it said OUT OF MEMORY. That's lack of ram not me causing it viewing just photos with sod all else running
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Posted: 2010-09-27 21:44:25
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I had a great experience up until s60v5. I enjoyed using S60, but i find Android far better. Indeed, its NOT about looks, Android aint all that pretty either, but it works far better than Symbian. UI is alot more fluid, consistant and flexible, THAT is what makes it such a joy to use and develop for. Out of memory sometimes appears randomly, there was a recent video a while ago at NokiaBlog where the review got an "Out of memory,please close apps" message with the N8, it wasnt running much, but this is a glitch ive experienced a few times since S60v3 FP1, im shocked its made its made it all the way to Symbian^3, hopefuly its sorted by release, as it popped when opening Gallery.
Ive had the errors before and after hacking.
Another major Symbian problem is lock-ups and rebooting, again, this eventualy became a sort of normality amongst us "Symbian geeks" ,but it got annoying eventualy, my 5800 i will admit was stable, but still rebooted now and again, often picking the worst times to do it, with Android all that seems to be in the past, and even if a app freezes, you get this pop-up asking to either Wait for the app to respond or Force Close which will immediatly close that app with no time wasted.
These are things i know majority of symbian users faced including myself, and are part of the reason why so many are jumping to Android. Symbian has always had weird little issues, that at 1st were accepted, but after iOS and Android proved a smartphone can be both powerful and stable, Symbian NOW has to fix/patch them up.
Indeed, no phone that cannot multitask is a smartphone, but Android can, and whipes the floor with Symbian in terms of task management.

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Posted: 2010-09-27 22:19:19
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I completely get where Tsepz_GP is coming from on this one.

I don't understand that considering the amount of time Symbian has been around it is still subjecting it's users to memory leakage, reboots and freezes. I mean, they couldn't really expect people to carry on with that indefinitely when Android and iOS came along - it's a different world.

My last Symbian phone was Satio and I found the menu system complicated even compared to the C905 I had previously. It was unattractive and old fashioned and it was hard to 'learn' about all of it's tricks. Some people might find it fun but I found it tedious.

When I first picked up the X10 and played around with the menu system I found it hard to believe they had made things so simple to use, it was as if there was a lot of the menu missing when compared to the built in File Managers of my previous phones (well actually there is).

So now I have a phone with no bugs of which I can speak.

In the past updates came along to fix faults such as random reboots and crashes (except the Smile detection update in the C905 which was great).

Today we look forward to updates because they add features.
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Posted: 2010-09-27 22:47:03
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@ Bonovox - ive never once had any S60 phone give me an out of memory error simply by viewing pictures or the gallery.

@ Tsepz_GP - lets face it, we're going to disagree until the day comes where Android gives everything Symbian can. But until that day comes, Android is better in your eyes, Symbian is better in mine. I still do not understand how you have such bad experience with Symbian, ive never had such issues as yourself. I suggest its something to do with various regional firmwares.

To me, memory issues are a thing of the past. I dont think i ever had a memory error with any of my Symbian phones in the past 4 years except for the day i decided to really force a memory error on my Satio by opening up everything i have on the phone at the same time. To me, all your beefs with Symbian are doubtful and hard to believe.
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Posted: 2010-09-27 23:41:42
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Thats fine ask any ex Symbian user who has moved to Android, iOS, BB OS etc...you will get answers mentioning very similar issues.
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Posted: 2010-09-27 23:53:30
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Not really, one of my best friends who owns a X10 says he'd happily go back to his old N95 8GB. He doesnt like Android or the X10 one bit. I advised him not to buy it, but he didnt listen.

Again, he had no such Symbian issues. His only problem was after 2 years of ownership the slide mechanism on his N95 gave out and the ribbon cable disconnected.
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Posted: 2010-09-28 00:05:24
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