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On 2010-11-16 03:49:44, false_morel wrote:
He's repeating what he'S getting through the media.. That's all.
One needs to think through you know.
He claimed that Nokia are replacing Symbian with Meego while they themselves denied that and declared full commitment to Symbian. The very topic this thread is about.
He is so much fed to an extent that he would believe a rumor made up by some reporter at Engadget than believing an official announcement by Nokia.
Here are the facts:
Meego is technologically more advanced OS than Symbian.
Nokia is continuing development of Meego.
If Nokia was truly 'fully committing' to Symbian, and wanted that OS be their choice for the future, then they would stop development of Meego.
Nokia has committed to both both OSes.
They are continuing support for Symbian so that they can use it in their lower end devices but in the medium to long run, they will need a more advanced operating system to use in their high end devices. Meego is currently that OS. You can already see evidence in this strategy with the N900.
I fail to see how these facts could be interpreted in any other way. This discussion is becoming pointless.
[ This Message was edited by: shaliron on 2010-11-16 06:37 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-16 07:36:03
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Again, I just wanted to show the members going against Symbian for the wrong reasons what an illogic they are using..
Yours wasn't very logical either, NexusOne was hardly successful,so how on earth did HTC get a boost from it? And what proof do you have that the Galaxy-S sold due to the display? Here in South Africa they havent done much advertising of Androids on TV, yet go to Vodashop, MTN etc...and you find that the Desire and Galaxy-S are sold out. NexusOne never even went on sale here.
How many times should I post Symbian's story over and over again so that you stop going back to Symbian^1 and high-light its shortcomings?!! Should I go back to early Android versions? I don't have to go back too much in time. Android 1.6 isn't that old isn't it? Anyway, we have Symbian^3 now
Last i checked there are still Symbian^1 devices being announced and recently being released such as the C5-03 and 5250, so it remains relevant.
And as to those dead N8's and other rebooting ones and whatever, what private or support forum for any and whatever, what private or support forum for any handset doesn't have these users with their problems? look at the wider image including millions of N8's in use
You said they focus on having a stable OS, phones dying or arriving dead completely contradict your point, yes all phones have their faults, but ive never read of Androids dying at such a rate, as i said that link was just one example, some of the network support forums are being flooded with such complaints, so much for "stable".
You are comparing two different OS with versions up to three years difference in age?! And on a two different three years difference in age?! And on a two different pieces of hardware each made for different purprose? pieces of hardware each made for different purprose? pieces of hardware each made for different purprose? And don't ask me why Nokia went with that outdated versoin of Symbian on the E5. I don't know But we have Symbian^3 now.. Stick to that
No, S60v3 got another update this year, it remains relevant as they still releasing phones running on it, same goes for Symbian^1.
You see, no matter what arguments one comes up with, this is the only thing you have to say this is the only thing you have to say. Even teh best market analysts out there are in confusion predicting through the revolution we're witnessing and yet you are that certain..
Its what i have to say as its obvious, Gartner went on to predict that Android may pass Symbian, so have quite a lot of others, so im not sure of what "confusion" you're on about, but hey,what ever helps you sleep at night.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2010-11-16 08:25 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-16 09:20:09
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On 2010-11-16 07:32:41, shaliron wrote:
Here are the facts:
Meego is technologically more advanced OS than Symbian.
Nokia is continuing development of Meego.
If Nokia was truly 'fully committing' to Symbian, and wanted that OS be their choice for the future, then they would stop development of Meego.
Nokia has committed to both both OSes.
They are continuing support for Symbian so that they can use it in their lower end devices but in the medium to long run, they will need a more advanced operating system to use in their high end devices. Meego is currently that OS. You can already see evidence in this strategy with the N900.
I fail to see how these facts could be interpreted in any other way. This discussion is becoming pointless.
Do you know that Nokia, for w while now, are heavily involved in the netbook busniness and do have some optimistic plans coming up?
Anyway, here are some "real" facts for you.
Quoted from Anssi Vanjoki, head of Mobile Solutions Nokia Finland, posted on the 2nd of July 2010 on the official Nokia blog:
"Symbian and MeeGo are the best software for our smartest devices. As such, we have no plans to use any other software. Despite rumors to the contrary, there are no plans to introduce an Android device from Nokia. There has also been some confusion about Symbian and Nseries. The Nokia N8 will be our only Nseries device on Symbian^3. Of course, we ‘never comment on future products’, but a Symbian^4 Nseries device is a strong possibility. A very strong possibility.
Symbian is our platform of choice for Nokia smartphones. Symbian has taken a lot of criticism lately – some of it fair, some not. But what is consistently overlooked is that Symbian still accounts for more than two-fifths of the global smartphone market. We believe the Nokia N8 will have great appeal. People want a smartphone that is familiar, packed with features, offers great performance. With products like the N8 and others to follow, we have preserved the best and most familiar parts of Symbian, making it effortless for the largest population of smartphone users to upgrade. We are determined to win back supporters, including Ricky, our favourite Symbian Guru.
MeeGo offers us an opportunity to take mobile technology beyond the smartphone, and into a new world of connected devices. As Symbian gears up to compete with the likes of iPhone and Android, MeeGo is taking clear aim at the computing space."
And here's the
whole article..
So are you suggesting that this guy is lying to us?
Or maybe all what have been said and followed by the whole world in that two day
SEE all b*llshit?
Did it occur to you that the N900 was a complete failure for Nokia?
Do you know anything about
SYMBEOSE?
And may you explain why would Nokia go with Symbian for the C-, X-, and E-series but not for the N-series? Do you find this logical or wise to do? Why not go with Meego for all the smartphones family?
Again, you are all your "facts" and claims on some media romurs boosted by the American media! As simple as that..
If you don't know why those sites relying on the American market target Nokia as such, using all the "legal and illegal" weapons available, then you need to know some more of what is going on..
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Posted: 2010-11-16 09:45:40
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On 2010-11-16 09:20:09, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Yours wasn't very logical either, NexusOne was hardly successful,so how on earth did HTC get a boost from it? And what proof do you have that the Galaxy-S sold due to the display? Here in South Africa they havent done much advertising of Androids on TV, yet go to Vodashop, MTN etc...and you find that the Desire and Galaxy-S are sold out. NexusOne never even went on sale here.
First of all, in many countries the markets are being directly affected by the American market.
The Americans are buying iPhones like crazy, some people here and there should buy iPhones as well.
Same goes to Android. In many conutries, it's all about what's going in the US.
Why? Again, because of the hype created by the media, and for the fact that the US market is biggest one. Simple.
Now to the logic I used, it was more to show you and others how bad the logic you are using is!
That is Symbian is selling just because of ignorant users while Android is selling well because it's the best!! Get real would you..
As to NexusOne it wasn't the success it supposed to be (I blame HTC for that) but still everybody knew about that much anticipated phone! And somehow HTC did make use of the whole situation and managed to introduce the Desire as the better NexusOne..
Anyway, all these factors that do play a huge role in the sales and do influence the whole market flow, are there.
Marketing is the most important. Then comes all other mentioned factors.. And the technical features of each OS play the least valuable role in this aspect.
Last i checked there are still Symbian^1 devices being announced and recently being released such as the C5-03 and 5250, so it remains relevant.
True. However, don't you think those are the last phones running the outdated versions.
From now on, Symbian phones will not go into this multiple version incompability and fragmentation..
There will be just one platform receiving updates every now and then..
You said they focus on having a stable OS, phones dying or arriving dead completely contradict your point, yes all phones have their faults, but ive never read of Androids dying at such a rate, as i said that link was just one example, some of the network support forums are being flooded with such complaints, so much for "stable".
This is an exaggerating part from your side.
The same complaints and problems you would find on all Android forums..
Be responsible for the info you are providing.
Its what i have to say as its obvious, Gartner went on to predict that Android may pass Symbian, so have quite a lot of others, so im not sure of what "confusion" you're on about, but hey,what ever helps you sleep at night.
Gartner predicted that change of position to happen at 2014!
Don't you think that such predictions are based on some given status that is assumed not to change.
Next year will witness a huge change for the Symbian platform. All the blows and the obstacles that resulted in more than one year delay come to an end. The new Symbian platform will be unleashed.
At least wait till then and see what would happen.
And even if Android is to pass Symbian some time in the future, it would be because of all the manufactures' support against Nokia's sole support for Symbian. And even then, it wont mean much. Android and Symbian will maintain over the half teh share, most probably over 60%, with Android mostly ten points above Symbian. This would be the worst case scenario for Symbian, and would still mean the platform is major role player.
That's not go into Windows Phone future market, and if it turns into a success, it can only eat up Android's share.
Symbian, iOS, and BBs wont get affected.
This would only help keep Symbian above all, even with less than 30% share..
You see, it can go all ways.. And we can only speculate. Nothing more.
As to the technical aspect, there is no much speculation. Everything is pretty clear and obvious.
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2010-11-16 09:34 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-16 10:28:25
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On 2010-11-11 22:37:38, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Exactly the type of reply i was expecting from someone who cant swallow the facts, so you turn around accuse me of being loyal to Android
Excuse me for being realistic and having the back-up.
By the way etaab, this seems to be your general way of dealing with people here once the arguement is not going your way, you then claim to love all OS and accuse the other of being loyal or a fanboy.
Seriously, you need to stop living in a dream world. First off, you are so completely loyal to Android, which is why you go on and on and on again till people just cannot be bothered to reply.
Secondly, you have very little back up if any at all. You base most of your opinions on your opinion and not fact. You say how many people have bricked N8 phones mentioned on the Nokia forum. But then, thats where people go to air their faults. You wouldnt get a support forum empty of issues and people just posting how great the phone is. Android forums are no different, again full of people with problems.
As for my way of dealing with people once an arguement is not going my way, well let me explain it to you once more. I do like all mobile phones, i was in CPW today and saw a Galaxy S sat there with its massive screen wishing i had enough money to own it and my N8 and the iPhone 4. But i dont. I never feel arguements arent going my way because i dont get into them and certainly do not post things which are silly and untrue.
Look at your own posts in this thread, the length of them and how much bitching you do with other people. I simply do not have the time or effort these days to get into such long discussions which is why i always state im not going to do so. Ive just come from working 16 days without a day off and the last thing i do not want to do when i come from work each evening is start battling with people who are like the terminator, i cannot change or even influence you at all. You'll just keep coming until the day comes your beloved Android is either no more, or is the only choice.
You're like an Android army, and i find Android named quite aptly !
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Posted: 2010-11-16 16:39:17
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On 2010-11-16 16:39:17, etaab wrote:
On 2010-11-11 22:37:38, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Exactly the type of reply i was expecting from someone who cant swallow the facts, so you turn around accuse me of being loyal to Android
Excuse me for being realistic and having the back-up.
By the way etaab, this seems to be your general way of dealing with people here once the arguement is not going your way, you then claim to love all OS and accuse the other of being loyal or a fanboy.
Seriously, you need to stop living in a dream world. First off, you are so completely loyal to Android, which is why you go on and on and on again till people just cannot be bothered to reply.
Secondly, you have very little back up if any at all. You base most of your opinions on your opinion and not fact. You say how many people have bricked N8 phones mentioned on the Nokia forum. But then, thats where people go to air their faults. You wouldnt get a support forum empty of issues and people just posting how great the phone is. Android forums are no different, again full of people with problems.
Posted plenty of back-up, on the other hand you are the who bases most of your opinions on your opinion and not fact.
As for my way of dealing with people once an arguement is not going my way, well let me explain it to you once more. I do like all mobile phones, i was in CPW today and saw a Galaxy S sat there with its massive screen wishing i had enough money to own it and my N8 and the iPhone 4. But i dont. I never feel arguements arent going my way because i dont get into them and certainly do not post things which are silly and untrue.
Look at your own posts in this thread, the length of them and how much bitching you do with other people. I simply do not have the time or effort these days to get into such long discussions which is why i always state im not going to do so. Ive just come from working 16 days without a day off and the last thing i do not want to do when i come from work each evening is start battling with people who are like the terminator, i cannot change or even influence you at all. You'll just keep coming until the day comes your beloved Android is either no more, or is the only choice.
You're like an Android army, and i find Android named quite aptly !
and i guess the rest of us just don't want to own anything else? You have accused quite a few of us of being fanboys when we dont agree with your points, yet we to dont just own type of device, ive now got a N8 here, X10 and a 3GS, i also like all OS manufacturers, im just prepared to be realistic about them.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 16:49:37
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So am i ! but your version of realism is that Symbian is dying or suddenly second class to Android which it is not.
My facts i base on market shares are fact.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-11-16 15:54 ]
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Posted: 2010-11-16 16:52:19
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On 2010-11-16 16:52:19, etaab wrote:
My facts i base on market shares are fact.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2010-11-16 15:54 ]
So are mine, exactly why i posted links.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 17:07:57
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Yeah but many of your links are from bad sources. Anyone who posts anything from Mobile-Review for example will know its going to be negative against Nokia.
The N8 might be one of the last Nokia phones i own for a long time since it is very stable and very high quality. Next year id be happy to try an iPhone or Android phone if they can match my needs.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 17:12:00
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Bad sources? The Register arent a bad source.
AndriodGuys links to Gartner, they quoted them.
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Posted: 2010-11-16 17:14:53
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