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i don't want to be biased to SE...they are also one of the leading innovators but mostly they have that 65:45 ratio of copying techs and innovating new design and technology
usually, after they innovate new things, the design evolves rather than creating a new one..
just like in the design of k750 which resembled the t610 since they saw the t610's beauty to be a hot cake, but nonetheless, the resmblance of the k750 from the other fones ends there
another example of SE when it's not on it's innovative state (i'm sory for those whoa are in this thread, i'm not onto you guys i just want to show that SE sometimes do things which are already done..)
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=88298
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Posted: 2005-04-24 21:15:31
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not really. a good restructering would've sloved it aswell. and don't forget that the last line of ericsson was doing fine.
T66 was making good profit cause some people wanted the smallest phone availeble
T65 nice looking, and stronger then the averdge phone
T68m
do i need to say? most historicle phone ever made untill today
keep in mind that the first couple of Q's SE had less marketshare then ericsson, even now they've got less marketshare.
and don't say that SE is more profitable, cause during the first Q's SE made a big loss.
like i said if ericsson restructured there mobile phone section, then they would've made it and we would've seen far more intresting things.
then tell me, why did they made the step and joined sony ericsson ?
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Posted: 2005-04-24 21:46:31
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because they need to profit. i dont like where this is going.. my mind was right, i shouldn't have brought up this topic to you guys... i only want to prove that SE though copying ideas from other manufacturers are also innovators but slow in that aspect..
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Posted: 2005-04-24 22:06:40
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i think you don't have to worry, this is a normal discussion - we don't bang our heats together - i know bart, and i respect him, i only want to know what i don't know
and btw, sony came up with a concept for their ps3 that also concerns the sony ericsson department - i don't find the articel at the moment, sorry
[ This Message was edited by: jack00 on 2005-04-24 21:16 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-24 22:13:15
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i think you don't have to worry, this is a normal discussion - we don't bang our heats together - i know bart, and i respect him, i only want to know what i don't know
and btw, sony came up with a concept for their ps3 that also concerns the sony ericsson department - i don't find the articel at the moment, sorry
just don't touch the Sony department, specially the playstation, TV, and the camera division or else i'm gonna eat everything that i say! dont you think mate? Besides my aircon and my lamp, almost every electric thingy in my room are Sony! (oh yes! i even use my Sony 10,000watt compo as my multimedia speaker!)
no to mention that my car use a 12 inch Sony xplod in the trunk
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[ This Message was edited by: B.J. on 2005-04-24 22:08 ]
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Posted: 2005-04-24 23:06:22
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I don't get this conversation ...
"Ericsson did, Bluetooth, and Color screens. (Not only 4 color)"...
If 4color -> 16 color is inovative .. then why isn't 0,3mp -> 1,3mp -> 2mp digital zoom innovative?
or one side to dual side phones ..
or SEs batterys ..
or the design of the phones .. I feel that is innovative
or the cameraphone style .. or the musicphone style ..
you can see this things either as innovativeor just improvements ...
else u got ..Motion Cam ROB-1 ..Bluetooth™ car CAR-100 ..Laserpen ILP-20 ..Bluetooth™mediacenter MMV-200 ..Blue Torch IBT-20 ..Bluetooth™ Media Viewer MMV-100 ..Advanced Music Mute HCE-16 .. the gamepad fomr z600 .. the list can go on and on
or do you expect SE to make a phone with a motorcycle case, so u can drive around in your bike?
.. be a bit realistic plz
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Posted: 2005-04-24 23:32:02
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because of SE the ericsson redjade was canceld otherwize it would've competed with the PSP.
jack they made the step to SE because ericsson had alot of debt, and the board of directors was seduced by sony.
sony it self is a great company i myself enjoy sony products and have several, but i know that other companies give me the same thing, or sometimes even more for less money.
sony has a good way of advertising and PR thats why ericsson took the bate.
a few years ago the CEO of ericsson changed, he's a smart person who brought back profit to the company, but on the other hand killed the dream of so many people incl many of ericssons empolyees.
oyea jack did you know ericsson was working and getting ready to lauch a new line of products, household products.
full controle over your house with your computer/smartphone.
ericsson even has such a house somewhere in sweden, the idea was to have such a house for most people within 5-8years, but i gues it sounds impossible now.
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Posted: 2005-04-24 23:35:50
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IMO, SE really innovative, let see :
- T610 ; the first smaller built in camera phone
- K700i ; the first smaller video phone
- S700i ; the first
real digital camera phone
- P910i ; the first smartphone that have large screen on standard size (not too huge) which have many option for data input (Normal phone keypad, Qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, jogdial)
- K600i ; the first smallest 3G phone
- W800i ; the first
real walkman phone.
Isn't that innovative ?? so what innovative do u guys talk about. What do u want from SE. I think SE doing a good job, they bringing us a phone that we really want.
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Posted: 2005-04-25 06:04:21
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else u got ..Motion Cam ROB-1 ..Bluetooth™ car CAR-100 ..Laserpen ILP-20 ..Bluetooth™mediacenter MMV-200 ..Blue Torch IBT-20 ..Bluetooth™ Media Viewer MMV-100 ..Advanced Music Mute HCE-16 .. the gamepad fomr z600 .. the list can go on and on
i do think those really are times when SE is at its innovative state but that's the problem with too much innovation, it's not so much of a hot cake though those stuffs are cool i must agree... btw, how much is the motion cam and the bt car?
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Posted: 2005-04-25 08:12:36
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On 2005-04-24 23:35:50, bart wrote:
oyea jack did you know ericsson was working and getting ready to lauch a new line of products, household products.
full controle over your house with your computer/smartphone.
ericsson even has such a house somewhere in sweden, the idea was to have such a house for most people within 5-8years, but i gues it sounds impossible now.
i know, you showed me the pics
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Posted: 2005-04-25 15:11:36
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