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On 2019-12-13 14:00:18, RacSony wrote:
monochrome sensor is back, 360 degree movie with next xperia?
https://androidnext.info/?p=984


So the name is decided when Xperia 1 was announced? If x0 is real I don't think they'll go with 1.1 because next 0 would be 0.1 which doesn't make sense.

High mp and mono were rumored for 0. By large lens I hope they mean a quality glass lens with great ois.

For midrange, as long as they keep bad socs design and build won't make any difference.
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Posted: 2019-12-13 17:30:43
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RGB and mono of XZ2P have virtually same size.
7.73 and 7.85.

If both come 1/1.7 for example, the surface is 160mm2.
Considering mono as 3 rgb.
I hope 865 has power to overcome the limitation xz2p had. Like macro, 4K and hdr photo.


One article of androidnext talks about the fear 865 becomes new 810.

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Posted: 2019-12-13 19:00:16
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IMX686 is NOT good !
not even better than the POOR 108 mp Isocell !
(At least paired with cheap chinese CRAP)
Sony doesn't COMMITS anymore..
Lot of money with multiple sensors but NO QUALITY !
Since Galaxy S6 IMX240 (& ISOCELL same year)
NOTHINGNESS 🚾✅— Ricciolo (@Ricciolo1) December 7, 2019

What's he on about?
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Posted: 2019-12-13 20:33:15
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He was the one that said in 2019 there would be many super camera phones.
None of them is much different from 2018.
With updates, older phones can handle newer.

How would this 360 video be different from Face in Picture?
I remember it works for video too.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-12-14 01:25 ]

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Posted: 2019-12-14 00:36:19
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Tizzo Posts: 242

How Sony’s camera guru is transforming Sony Mobile, starting with the Xperia 5...
https://www.digitaltrends.com[....]ke-someya-kimio-maki-xperia-5/

Thoughts?
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Posted: 2019-12-14 10:20:47
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It is weird because since Z1, they have used stuff from other divisions.

Z1 = G lenses + bionz
Z2 = triluminos and stereo
Z4 = LDAC
M5 = hybrid AF
XZP = stacked cmos
XZ2 = 4K 10bit video

Like he says, not easy to do this when different prosucts dont share hardware nor software.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-12-14 13:30 ]

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Posted: 2019-12-14 10:49:12
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Article says it's sort of a continuation of best of Sony. But this time they are working for those brands to actually reflect their original counterpart.

No word on midrange. It's all good for flagship but midrange lacks direction right now.

It was easier for camera department, they weren't against hundreds of camera makers. They know they don't have time so they should go all in.

360 video BTW is pretty different than simultaneously using 2 cameras. Watch one on your phone, it's like a movable window to that scene. Vr also is a different experience for 360 video, but Vr kind of died, idk how it could boost sales for Xperia.

Here's the article that started this whole sd865 is bad thing https://arstechnica.com/gadge[....]ckwards-for-smartphone-design/ I hope it's not true, 810 kind of hurt the small players the most
[ This Message was edited by: Ppl on 2019-12-14 13:51 ]

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Posted: 2019-12-14 14:43:31
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The duopoly Canikon was higher than Apple/Samsung.
Sony bought camera division of Minolta and their expertise.
While Nikon is only camera and Canon also have printers, the whole Sony is much bigger than two by far.
Sony has much more money to burn.
In theory only Panny is capable to rival Sony, but they focus on video skills with poor photos.

If they want to make Xperia profitable again they have to burn tons of money.
Phones can bring more money than cameras.

Record an episode of Shark Tank with Xperia, go to any famous university and spend few hours with students of photography/videography, bring directors that usually work with Sony Pictures to play with phone and give their impressions, record music video clip of few singers from Sony BMG ...

OnePlus 8 lite will be $430 - 470 in China. With 90Hz oled, 4000mAh, IP53, triple cam (imx586) , 8Gb and ufs3.0. Another fierce rival,for future midranges.
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-12-14 15:03 ]

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Posted: 2019-12-14 15:59:17
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unfadedghost Posts: 98

Yeap
They do have developed a wide-sub monochrome to aube with the main camera which I told before.
It’s the upgrade version of Xz2p.
But fanboys doesn’t deserve it :大声笑:

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Posted: 2019-12-15 01:41:23
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Hawk12 Posts: > 500

Does this upgrade version fix the weaknesses of 1st generation?
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Posted: 2019-12-15 02:07:14
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